A Roj

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  1. I didn't expect a different response to this line of thinking (which is really still up for debate, even though i am on YOUR side haha). What i did expect was a straight forward answer to my original post, whether it was safe or not to eat, so i could make a decision to fish for stripers or not (since i want to eat what i catch). Legit there were only 2-3 comments responding to that, which were really good responses that i appreciate. Everyone else was just fixated on the fact that i didn't keep the fish to eat, and they felt the need to throw jabs haha. I really didn't expect for people to jump to conclusions and become all judgy, that's school girl stuff in my opinion... thanks dude
  2. I know! that is why i felt bad and asked on this forum if it is safe to eat it, but people came at me hard. When i caught my first one there were some dark parts on the meat. I came here to get advice, and then everyone started getting very judgmental... kinda feels like cancel culture in here lol. I am just playing the other side, because in reality, if they are so low no one should be fishing for stripers. If i am following the same rules as fisherman who bring them home to eat, then we are both having the same impact... You, like many others, would rather that fish be left for someone who will fish for it and eat it. Kinda selfish, because i know most fisherman families arent reliant on the fish they catch themselves. People fish for sport around here, and take pride in eating what they catch. Again, I am just playing the other side. I shouldnt have to be forced to eat PCB contaminated meat to enjoy the sport of fishing like someone else, just because they are willing to eat it, if we both have the same impact on the environment. If stocks are truly that low, ban it from everyone for a few seasons. Honestly, i feel the same way you do about bass stocks in the LI sound, so next striper i am keeping and eating it, then going back to snapper fishing.
  3. Hahhaha, it does sound disgusting. Your recipe sounds freaking delicious, thanks for this! I usually cook it like this for snappers (without the shallot and white wine sauce). I'll be sure to post a pic after i cook one up!
  4. @Two Rock My opinion is that if you and I both followed regulations, we can do whatever we like with our catch. Which one is better for sustainability, well, i think you and I both do not know the answer to that. Your "rule" is a moral opinion on not wasting meat, i guess for sustainability purposes. Hunters actually play a vital role in many ecosystems (population and disease control. etc.), whether they bring the meat home to eat or not. One deer can feed a family for a long time. If, by your claim, hunters should only hunt to eat (like deer hunters), then they would stop hunting after their first catch in the season. That's not what happens. It would undoubtedly negatively impact the ecosystem. That is why there are hunting competitions and tourneys across the states, to promote and continue hunting because it plays such an important rule in balancing our ecosystems. I know many "sportsman" who do not eat their game, either because their freezer is already full or they were warned of, and are afraid of, the implications of eating diseased or tainted meat. Again, they still play a vital role in the ecosystem whether they are eating it or not, which is why hunting is a sport for them. Without "sportsman," there would be an unbalance. Again, it doesn't matter if you eat it or not. It actually, in my opinion, makes more sense to hunt/fish less and leave some carcasses as the energy is returned to the eco system which it was in. I think your perception is noble, only hunting if you are going to eat it as not to waste meat or kill life unnecessarily for sustainability purposes, etc. But, it is really driven by your emotional response to what you think is "morally right," embedded in your first rule of hunting. Maybe it is much more sustainable to buy your meals at the store from sustainable farming practices, hunt a little less and return the caught carcass to its environment. I don't know, which is why these are just opinions that are driven by our own morals. Ha, i think we definitely need to start a new forum for this...
  5. *White tailed deer I merely just responded to your claim that "The first rule of fishing or hunting is don’t kill it unless your going to eat it, that is not moral high ground whatsoever..." Make the distinction then instead of a broad claim that is false. Also, it is only your opinion that I am being a wasteful person. Honestly, i wasn't even trying to defend what i was doing, but many people came at me so hard lol.
  6. @autonomos I really don't even know where to begin here... No dude, I just buy into the community consensus on how much fish (or game) there is, and what we can do to protect it so we can keep getting it. Obviously, I do not just believe what people tell me, i do my research and use DATA, along with human compassion, to guide my decision making process... Are you really trying to politicize this hahahhaha.
  7. @Two Rock That is just flat out wrong. Some species (like red tailed deer on Long Island and upstate New York, feral hogs in Texas and Hawaii, Pythons in Florida, etc.) are either invasive and/or over populating, eating all the food and out-competing other native species, which can be DISASTROUS for the eco-system. This means that if we do not do anything, the natural stability of an area will collapse, and there will be nothing to hunt for, or worse, the food would be rendered non-edible due to disease, poor diet, etc. (just look at CWD in deer in the Minnesota region). Most states control their big game populations. The deer are so bad on Long Island that they really impacted the wild rabbit population, and deer season was open year round by the DEC. Wild rabbit is one of the sought after meals for red fox here, and if you are a Long Islander you would know that they almost disappeared, besides in some protected parks and in eastern LI. So, yeah, thats a moral thing many people are dealing with, because they believe it is a "waste." I understand fish and clam stocks are very vulnerable, but heck i see so many people catching tons of striped bass a year, why do i have to miss out on the fun? One thing I would mention though, is that striped bass play a big role in controlling the crab population (fiddlers, etc.) in the NE, which is VERY IMPORTANT to the health of our spartina salt marshes. The salt marshes is literally what produces the abundance of sea life and biodiversity from the LI sound up to New Brunswick.
  8. Wow, I got ripped apart here hahah. Thanks again to everyone who replied with some substance or good jokes.
  9. @Mike Thats an interesting study from the 90's. I would of thought he PCB's would be much higher than today, since they were only banned in 1979. It might just be that with time, the PCB's were distributed through the fish population (just my guess), since the research paper i posted earlier says the contaminants were highest in the hudson area. Regardless, I am going to keep the next catch i get. I have seen some pretty good recipes on youtube for preparing stripers (one is literally slobbing the whole fillet with mayo and honey, then wrapping it in tin foil and putting it in the oven). I heard the taste is very fishy, so seasoning it as much as possible may be a good idea. By the way, its not that hard to figure out how to use the @ symbol.
  10. I practice sustainability by abiding by the DEC regulations for fish size and possession limits, which is 28-35'' and no more than one in possession (which amounts to no more than a few since, as I mentioned, I just recently began spearfishing). Also, spearing for stripers isn't a daily thing for me. After I catch and fillet the fish, I check for "tainted" meat, and only really saw white meat. This was my exploratory field work. After I cut the striper, I give it to the cormorants and other shore birds, and toss the remainder back in the water to be "recycled" naturally. This is no different than you catching and eating it, except I feed it to the shore birds. This is by far much more sustainable than what most people do, who catch many large stripers each summer, and then eat that PCB ridden meat. Almost zero sustainability in that, with the added risk of impacting your health. By the way @FEW3, this is America, so you could do whatever you like with your caught fish as long as you abide by regulations, and I could do whatever I like with mine. Thanks for those of you with sincere and good-humored comments! For those of you who are just going to try to get on a moral high ground or espouse your ethical views, you could shove it.
  11. Here is a study by the CDC which answers my question in full: https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/LongIslandSound/LongIslandSoundHC2-23-2009.pdf Many store bought foods have PCB levels under 30 ppb (which is considered safe), while the fish samples in the LI sound in 2003 and 2007 have PCB levels between 200 and 700 ppb.
  12. Hi all, I am brand new to this forum but have been fishing for quite some time off the north shore of Long Island in the LI sound. I go out on my kayak and fish for snappers, so I was never really worried about contaminants as I followed the USFDA and NY Dept. of Health guidelines for eating fresh caught fish. Just last summer I began spear fishing because I'm a young buck and need some more excitement when I am out in the water. I have caught some strippers just at 28 inches, but haven't eaten them due to my lack of knowledge on the level of PCB's and other contaminants in the fish, and how that would affect human health. I believe I would be ok, since I exercise and (try to) eat healthy. I would like to hear some of your experiences and opinions on this matter. If there is any data and/or literature you can cite, that would be very helpful. I hope that some younger folk can respond to this, and/or those who have a more formal understanding of chemistry and biology (like marine biologists). It would actually be great to provide chemical equations on PCB's interaction with other chemicals in the human body, and how that can affect health. This would greatly increase my understanding and make me feel more comfortable in making the decision on whether or not to eat fresh caught striper and blue fish from the LI sound. Thanks!