DeepBlue85

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    Independent thought requires the real desire to think as such. Weighing truths, assesing reasonableness and taking into account the right and wrong inherent to public opinion allow a true and better reality to be established.

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  1. Maximising distance on the back-hand. It's one thing to make a solid back hand shot, what about looking for serious distance on the back hand the way you might on the forehand? Physical differences in the cast, coordination, pace, is it really all in the mind or are there tangible differences in stroke an technique to achieve distance on the back hand?
  2. Ha! The price we pay for inquisitive threads.... I for one have no proven dumping my whole line with a clouser ....standing 5 feet above the water on a jetty....
  3. Write a book, your knowledge across multiple angling disciplines is well documented on this site alone. Sick breakdown..... thank you.
  4. That's really an amazing explanation and makes great sense..thank you. it also highlights why under lining a rod could be effective for achieving distance if only by generating momentum in a lighter line. Probably also why so many modern rods are under rated in line weight.
  5. Reading, knowing and responding to the water you fish, regardles of how you go about it is the single most important aspect in any kind of fishing, fly rod in hand or not. Knowing when to apply tactics best executed with a fly rod depends on your knowledge of the quarry and their environment, having the ability to apply those tactics to the best of one's ability (distance and presentation) depends on the time we invest mastering the challenges inherent to maximising efficiency, just like any other fishing.
  6. Rhetorically, would it be fair then to say a stiff rod / modern action rod, in pricipal has more stored energy than a soft rod? Surely that's true, so could adjustments unlock that stored energy of a stiffer rod and if so, should this alone be responsible for distance? I guess what I meen is, powerful modern rods have an ability to leverage more line with less effort when properly loaded, does this make achieving distance easier or harder in your opinion?
  7. Iv pondered this, specifically when passing the delaware on my way to Pennsylvania lakes. As far as shore based fishing for musky goes, if distance is a requirement, I cant imagine a better rod than a 10M or mh gsb.
  8. I think finding a comfort zone is a distraction and abbreviates progress. Some may be guilty of that but to me, mastering distance is the most important thing in fly fishing, without it presentation is limited to the water infront of you, which of course, is a discipline worth mastering in it's own right. Asking questions and offering personal hardship highlights just how beneficial a casting lesson or two can have on one's ability to fish more effectively.
  9. Preface my prior post with, "in principal"
  10. I'd be starting with my haul hand at least above the cork so the haul hand has more distance to travel, moving more line, generating more line speed into the back cast and more easily loading the rod with one back cast for a quick shot at a moving target. That one flaw on the pick up can effect the potential of the presentation cast. Furthermore, Loop control using the haul hand helps remove tailing loops effectively on the back cast for me. I grab the line from just under the stripping guide and haul into a back cast, raising the haul hand with slow steady pace unfurling the line uniformly and correcting any loop problems if the rod is just slightly off plane or the stroke is too abrupt. The pace of the haul hand creates a controlled stop vs a hard stop and maintains tension throughout the stroke which translates to rod load and line speed, and, distance.
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  12. Insanely good thread.....this stuff belongs in a public hall with beer on tap.
  13. Heh, not sure I can use that excuse. That's the thing about casting a fly rod, the learning curve bends beyond our years...
  14. Last night I made conscious effort to adjust my back cast In this way and was shocked at the impact this small detail had. This was it, and I thought how obvious it was after the first cast. It did a few things for me, it re-aligned my entire stroke and corrected what may have been some unconcious arc leaking into my cadence when prior, I had been working harder to keep my line off the water the more line I had out. Another thing was I found I had to worry less about creating a ton of line speed just for keeping the fly off the water which helped controll line kick, but when I really got hauling, the line speed translated to way better distance vs height off the water alone. Finally, because I essentially needed to use weighted flys, any line kick on my back cast had more room avoiding contact with the water and also gave me some time to reposition my forward cast at an upward angle, resulting in distance and some nice tight loops. I found also I could start my haul slightly later in the stroke applying more force, it generated quite a bit of power in the rod and shot my line hard off the reel a few times. If anything, casting in deep water exposed flaws in my cast that maybe had gone undetected in more conventional situations, when I normaly wouldnt wade chest deep with a flyrod, the position of fish in the area gave me no choice and ultimately resulted in a learning experience I bellieve will translate to the rest of my fly fishing. Its unbelievable and satisfying to see how one minor adjustment can correct or assist in almost every other aspect of the cast. Thank you once again for that great advice.
  15. Excellent breakdown on that, the adjustments involving line speed help greatly but as you said, do require more energy to execute. Something I'll add is the stripping basket I'm using. Its about twice the deapth of an orvis and handles more line coiled nicely to shoot further with less line in the air, a shorter headed line would probably be a great match. I use airflo ridge lines and I try avoiding experimentation these days but I can see where a shorter head could excel for the purpose of deep wading. I'd say I get about 50 plus feet in waist high water consistently, really nice breakdown thank you.