Fishin Technician

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  • Birthday 10/29/1951


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    Educated by the school of hard knocks,..........
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    Fly Fishing, reading and trying to decide if I have too much fishing tackle .
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    Nothing anymore, just coasting through life.

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  1. I came across this article regarding rod actions. Someone else trying to put another explanation out there to confuse us even more. If any aspect of a fly rod and the terminology that goes with it is misunderstood, it has to be about the action of a fly rod. Virtually all fly rods list what their action is – such as mid-action, fast-action, slow-action and so on. Unfortunately, unless you know something about fly rods, knowing what the action of a fly rod doesn’t really do you much good. Moreover, since many people think a “fast-action” must be good because they are, well, “fast action”, more than a few anglers have bought these type of rods only to have unhappy results when using them. So, before plunking down any money for a fly rod, it is very necessary to understand fly rod action and fly rod flex. Equally important, though, is to understand that the type of fly rod action you want in a fly rod depends ENTIRELY on what you will be fly fishing for and where you will be fly fishing. Plan on fly fishing for monster trout on a big river? Then a fast action may be just right for you. Or do you plan on fly fishing for wary brown trout in some spring creek somewhere? If you do, then a fast-action fly rod is most definitely not welcome. In short, before purchasing a fly rod, it is absolutely critical that you know more or less what type of fish you will be fly fishing for and where you will be fishing. This Buyers Guide article to fly rod action and fly rod flex will break things down, providing information on what the various “actions” and “flex” of a fly rod are – and which type of fishing situations a particular fly rod is designed for. Enough said. Now let’s get started on breaking things down a bit. Fly Rod Action Explained The action of a fly rod refers to how flexible the fly rod is. If you forget everything else on this website, try to remember this. The action of a fly rod is simply a fancy measure of how flexible the fly rod is. There are three main “actions” of a fly rod. Fly rods are generally labeled as being “fast action”, “medium action” or “slow action”. To confuse things further, in terms of flexibility, fast action fly rods are also called tip flex fly rods. Medium action rods are often called mid-flex fly rods. Slow action fly rods are frequently known as full flex fly rods. So, let’s discuss what each of these actions means in the real world – which means when you’re out on the river. Fast Action Fly Rods or Tip Flex Fly Rods A fast action fly rod is a fly rod that is not very flexible. In fact, a fast action fly rod is almost entirely stiff throughout most of its length – with the only real flexibility occurring in the fly rod near the tip of the rod. In real life, what this means, is that when you are casting, only the end of the fly rod -near the tip – will bend in any appreciable way. The rest of the fly rod will remain stiff and basically straight. So, that said, what is the purpose of a fast action fly rod? And what are the advantages and disadvantages of using one? Purpose of Fast Action Fly Rods Fast action fly rods, due to the fly rods stiffness, are more powerful. And by more powerful, it is meant that the fly rod is able to cast line further than slow and medium action fly rods. The stiffness of the fly rod helps generate more line speed during the cast. The extra speed of the fly line allows for both more fly line to be held up during the cast as well as for the line to be shot further than slower action fly rods. Additionally, fast action fly rods are also designed to facilitate landing larger fish. A stiff fly rod makes the chore of landing really big fish – and we’re not talking about your average trout here – much easier. A fast action fly rod, due to the rods stiffness, makes it much simpler – if somewhat less fun – to bring in the fish. So, with that in mind, let’s discuss go over the basic advantages and disadvantages that a fast action fly rod provides. Advantages of Fast Action Fly Rods Longer Casts – A fast action fly rod is ideal where the angler needs to make consistently long casts. Landing Large Fish – A fast action fly rod makes it much easier, and quicker, to land very large fish. Windy Conditions – Due to the high line speed generated by fast action fly rods, casting in windy conditions is much easier and more effective using a fast action fly rod – especially if used in conjunction with advanced casting techniques that help reduce some of the effects of wind resistance. Quick Casts – The stiffness of fast action fly rods allow for very quick casts – something that is often appreciated by advanced anglers since more casts allow for more potential fish to be caught. Disadvantages of Fast Action Fly Rods Fishing Small Streams – A fast action fly rod can be a nightmare to use when stalking wary fish in small streams or spring creeks – places that anglers generally end up needing to make short casts. Fast action fly rods, as they lack the flexibility of slow action fly rods, are much more difficult to cast in conditions that require very short casts. Remember, fast action fly rods are designed for long, powerful casts – not short, confined casts. Using Light Tippets – A fast action fly rod, as it is very stiff, is not the best fly rod to be used when fishing for wary trout on light tippets. The stiffness of the fly rod puts more strain on the tippet – instead of helping to absorb some of the strain like slower action fly rods do. As such, if you need to use really light tippets for wary fish, a fast action fly rod is not a great choice. Difficult to Use for Beginners – Fly casting is generally learned relatively quickly by beginners. However, for beginners, a fast action fly rod will have a steeper learning curve. Due to the speed of the fly line, beginners will find fast action fly rods more difficult to control than slower action rods. As such, beginners may end up frustrated since many of their casts will not go where they want it to go. Who are Fast Action/Tip-Flex Fly Rods For? With these advantages and disadvantages of fast action fly rods taken into account, who is a fast action fly rod for? Basically, if you need to make long casts consistently, fish for very large fish or are always fly fishing in windy conditions, a fast action fly rod is for you. Otherwise, a medium action or slow action fly rod is likely to be a better fly rod choice. Medium Action Fly Rods or Mid-Flex Fly Rods A medium action fly rod is a fly rod that has a fair amount of flexibility but is still somewhat stiff. The fly rod bends much more than a fast action fly rod but not nearly as much as a slow action fly rod does. Which, of course, is why it is called a medium action fly rod. In the real world, what this means is that when casting, the fly rod will bend moderately for about half of its length, from the middle of the rod upward to the tip of the rod. The lower half of the fly rod, the half nearest the fly reel, will basically remain stiff. Medium Action fly rods are the workhorses of the fly rod world. They are by far the most popular fly rod on the market today. Medium action fly rods are also the most versatile of fly rods. They can make longer casts quite adequately, especially in the hands of a good caster, yet function well enough to allow them to be used in most spring creek fishing conditions. Thus, if you plan on fly fishing in a wide range of conditions, from big rivers to spring creeks and everything in between – and can afford/only want one fly rod – then a medium action fly rod is the fly rod of choice. Additionally, medium action fly rods are generally quite forgiving. Beginner anglers can quickly pick up on using them and begin making decent casts quite quickly. The slower line speed gives beginner anglers more control over where the fly line, and the fly, ends up. Who Are Medium Action Fly Rods For? So, who is a medium action fly rod for? Medium action fly rods are ideal for anglers who need these traits in a fly rod. Maximum Versatility – If an angler only wants or can only afford one fly rod, the versatility of a medium action fly rod provides the most versatility for fishing a wide range of conditions. The Angler is New to Fly Fishing – A beginner angler will find a medium action fly rod quite forgiving. These fly rods are not quite as forgiving as a slow action fly rod, but still quite forgiving nonetheless. Plus, the greater versatility of medium action fly rods will assist new anglers just starting out in the sport. In short, medium action fly rods are excellent fly rods for both beginner and veteran anglers alike. Unless you need a different type of fly rod for a particular fly fishing condition or situation and can only afford one fly rod, a medium action/mid-flex fly rod is likely to be your best bet. Slow Action Fly Rods or Full Flex Fly Rods A slow action fly rod, as the name suggests, is a fly rod that has slow action. This means that the rod is very flexible. While not as flexible as a spaghetti noodle, the difference in flexibility between a slow action rod and a fast action rod is very significant. In the real world, what this means is that when casting, a slow action rod will bend significantly for most of its length – almost resembling a shallow U shape at the height of the backcast. Slow action fly rods, as they do not generate high line speeds due to their flexibility, are designed for anglers who need to make short and very accurate and gentle casts. As such, slow action fly rods are ideal for fly fishing smaller rivers, spring creeks and other areas that require anglers to make short and accurate casts. Additionally, slow action fly rods excel in another area – protecting light tippets. All too often, many of the best trout streams have some of the most difficult fish to catch. As a result, very light tippets are needed to fool these trout. As any angler who has used light tippets knows, it is all too easy for the fly to part company with a light tippet. Slow action fly rods are designed to alleviate some of this problem. The tremendous flexibility of a slow action fly rod allows some of the strain that would otherwise be put on a tippet during a fish strike to be transferred to the rod itself. Because of this, when using very light tippets (in the range of 6x and 7x), a slow action fly rod can prevent many a lost fish due to tippet breakage. Slow action fly rods are also an excellent fly rod for beginners. The flexibility of the fly rod and the slow line speed allows beginner anglers to have very good control of the fly line, allowing for more accurate casts by inexperienced anglers. Listed below are the advantages and disadvantages of using a slow action fly rod. Advantages of a Slow Action Fly Rod Protect Light Tippets – Slow action fly rods are ideal when an angler is using very light tippets. Very Forgiving – Beginner anglers will enjoy the forgiving nature of these fly rods and the greater control these fly rods provide for inexperienced anglers. Short Casts – Anglers who need to make short casts will find slow action fly rods excellent choices. The flexible nature of the fly rod allows for easier – and more accurate – short casts to be made. Smaller Fish are Fun to Catch – The flexible nature of the fly rod makes catching even smaller fish a lot of fun. Even a 12-inch trout can seem like a monster on a slow action fly rod – although obviously, it is more tiring on the fish itself since it takes longer to bring them in. Disadvantages of a Slow Action Fly Rod Slow Line Speed – Anglers who need to make long casts will not want to use a slow action fly rod. The slower line speed of these rods prevents the angler – unless they are very experienced – from making real long casts. Fishing in Windy Conditions – During windy conditions, slow action fly rods can be a real bear to cast. Versatility – Slow action fly rods are ideal for many situations, but lack the all-around versatility that medium action fly rods do. In short, if you can only own one fly rod and want that fly rod to be able to perform well in a wide range of conditions, a medium action fly rod is a better choice. Regards, FT
  2. The only solution to this problem in my opinion is to accept the fact the most rods can handle three line weights to varying degrees of comfort and efficiency. Just because there is a sticker that says that this rod is an eight weight does not mean it will not throw the seven or nine line. When you get the "feel" of the load or power point of the rod, that is all that matters. Also depending on the casters abilities, they can make a rod perform off the tip or into the butt section at will. Just think of going on a trip with the eight weight and you lost or damaged your line and all that you had left to use was a seven or nine, you would force yourself to adjust. Regards, FT
  3. Duh !
  4. Again I am biased to the 1989 series of the RPLX Sage rods. If a rod that was branded to be to stiff and you had to over line it, would it not be a faster rod if you underlined it..less line diameter equals less resistance and more line speed, as long as you use smaller sized flies. FT
  5. Frog Togg jacket is fantastic..........except the elastic waist band is too tight, it's not that I am too big . Snip the waist cord and all is good. FT
  6. USA rubber companies such as Firestone, Goodyear, US Royal and Trojan Rubber (had to do it) out sourced to overseas , who is overseeing the quality of your rubber products? One tiny leak in a rubber product has resulted in too many explosions on road and off road. FT
  7. LACROSSE, Wis.-LaCrosse Footwear Inc. on April 26 acquired the assets of Red Ball Inc., a maker of rubber hip boots, waders and children's protective footwear, for an undisclosed amount. The deal includes Red Ball's customer lists; raw materials, work-in-progress and finished goods inventories; technical know-how and patents; trade names; and various production equipment, said Robert J. Sullivan, LaCrosse vice president of finance. Headquartered in Louisville, Ky., Red Ball employs about 30 and operates manufacturing plants in Nashua, N.H., and Patterson, N.J. The accord did not include any of Red Ball's outstanding liability-estimated at $12 million to $15 million, Sullivan said. Officials from Red Ball, a Norcross Footwear Inc. subsidiary, called LaCrosse to arrange the buyout in mid-February, shortly after Red Ball filed for Chapter 11 reorganization, Sullivan said. Red Ball was suffering from a lack of cash flow last summer, which, in turn, stifled sales, Sullivan said. The Louisville boot maker posted about $22.7 million in sales last year, but revenue dropped sharply this year. Red Ball probably will record less than $12 million in sales in 1996, he said. Red Ball's work force also has dwindled, down to about 30 from 150 just a few years ago, Sullivan said. Norcross and Red Ball officials were unavailable for comment. LaCrosse, which employs 1,300 and posted 1995 sales of about $98 million, plans to transfer Red Ball's machinery when the deal closes in May, Sullivan said. LaCrosse's 250,000-sq.-ft. Claremont, N.H., facility will receive the bulk of the equipment. The firm currently is realigning production there to free up 60,000 to 80,000 square feet of floor space to accommodate the machinery. LaCrosse may have to shift some warehousing in Claremont to a leased facility, he said. LaCrosse, which purchased Danner Shoe Manufacturing Co. in 1994, plans to operate Red Ball as a separate division. The firm will add 15 to 20 people in Claremont to support the Red Ball business. Sullivan said he doesn't know how many-if any-of Red Ball's employees LaCrosse will hire. Red Ball and LaCrosse's footwear lines complement each other, he said. ``Their wader and hip boot line was strong in fishing, and we're strong in hunting.'' In addition, LaCrosse may realize some gains becoming a Red Ball supplier rather than a competitor. Red Ball previously purchased boots to attach to its waders from an unnamed third party. Now LaCrosse will make the boots for Red Ball's line of waders as well as LaCrosse's line, he said. Red Ball is projected to reach sales of between $12 million and $15 million in 1997, Sullivan said. ``They had poor spring delivery and some customers went elsewhere,'' he said. ``It's going to take a while to restore the customers' confidence and win that business back.'' FT
  8. Jay Blair, Did you ever fly fish for Lake George Salmon 20 years ago, or do I have the wrong Jay Blair.. FT
  9. Flatfish lures are a strange one, I years ago had a few fly rod sized ones deadly on fish x 2 unhooking had a high mortality rate. I still have a pair of flatfish lures that are 6 inches in length....trolling the monsters with a 3 way swivel and the lower drop has a 1/2 to 1 oz chunk of lead, with the lure being 3-4 feet behind has caught some very impressive fish when for magnum flatfish. FT
  10. I feel much better now that we have solved my mini crisis ! Great thing that there is still low cost support groups available today that know what they are talking about. Until the next one FT
  11. and don't forget to spit (lubricate) on your knots before you pull tight ! A dry knot heats up and weakens the mono, spit & slide firmly. FT
  12. Always Red Ball Masters, great wader. I still use the hippers with felts, and there is still a pair of red ball chest waders hanging in the garage for some unknown reason. FT
  13. This will reveal your age..............and glad bags do not qualify ! FT
  14. Also to take note, Sage would always label "DEMO" on some blanks. FT
  15. I have learned my lesson on buying new rods and selling old stock. I almost always regret selling something that I am used to. New rods are faster in action than I can presently think or move. Slow (moderate) and smooth fits with me comfortably. And they cost more today than at least four rods that I am comfortable with that are paid for, if I chose to sell them. Selling today is giving away stuff, a few years back the online market brought a better price for rods, the only person today that would purchase a 1991 rod would be from a older market crowd or a very informed younger person on past quality. Fly reels are a different market altogether, old good stuff always brings a price. Regards, FT