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  1. jps1010 : Apologies for not noticing you had originally suggested the ASGA. FlyFoolingFish
  2. Oakman is really onto something folks. I searched "American Saltwater Guides Association and discovered some intriguing reads - Parts 1, 2, & 3 of a 4-part Series. "Striped Bass 101, Part 1: What went wrong and how we ended up here. From New England down to the mid-Atlantic, if you fish at all in the salt, you are likely well-aware of the downward trend in striper numbers.... "Striped Bass 101, Part 2: Moving Forward While Avoiding Past Mistakes. In part 1, we looked at the history of striped bass management, what went wrong, how we ended up with an overfished stock, and the missed opportunities that could have prevented that from happening. In Part 2, we’ll look at the direction we believe managers should take moving forward, and what it would require to truly rebuild the striped bass stock.... "Striped Bass 101, Part 3: What Went Down on April 30th. The stock is overfished, and overfishing is occurring… Here’s how the Commission is moving forward. A week later and we’re still decompressing from the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) Striped Bass Board Meeting, as well as the American Saltwater Guides Association’s (ASGA’s) testimony before the US House Natural Resources, Water Oceans and Wildlife Committee. Both are critical to the points we’ll ultimately make in the concluding edition (Part 4) of this series. But first, we need to summarize what went down at the Striped Bass Board meeting on Tuesday April 30th..... Thanks, Oakman, for your not-so-subtle "Suggestion".
  3. Knowing that Striped Bass are fished for commercial and recreational reasons, I could not agree more strongly that sport/recreational fisher-men and -women need to organize for success. Here's an effective idea for saltwater gamefish that would surely need adaptation.... [Permit me to now request input and discussion from those who are far more experienced in such matters than I am.] Let's bring science to the fight!! Resolve: Would organizing and funding a Striper-focused non-profit somewhat akin to the Bonefish & Tarpon Trust (BTT; serve the purpose? "Mission: To conserve and restore bonefish, tarpon and permit fisheries and habitats through research, stewardship, education and advocacy. "Through science-based approaches, BTT is working to protect and enhance healthy, functioning flats fisheries and habitats in the Western Hemisphere, and restore those in decline. This work is being done in collaboration with other institutions and governments. "In the Florida Keys and South Florida, BTT is working to determine and address the causes of declining fish populations. BTT has defined a series of research steps that will lead to actionable knowledge to improve the Keys flats fishery. We will advocate for those actions that will protect and restore the fishery and habitats. "BTT is working to improve regulations as necessary to ensure a healthy tarpon fishery throughout the Gulf of Mexico, Southeast United States and Caribbean. "BTT is working to protect and restore habitats throughout the range of bonefish, tarpon and permit to ensure healthy populations of these and associated species. "BTT is executing its mission by partnering with universities and institutions having the expertise to conduct research projects designed by BTT scientists. "History: BTT was founded in 1997 by a group of six anglers concerned that the bonefish population in the Florida Keys was declining and nobody was taking active steps to monitor or reverse it. They resolved to learn more about the causes of the decline and contracted with University of Miami to search existing literature and prior studies on the issue, of which there was very little. "A few years later, the group formed Bonefish and Tarpon Unlimited, and brought together a group of 60 Founding Members representing the “Who’s Who” of saltwater flats fishing. In the early days, the board kicked off initial research projects, worked to build public awareness and recruit members. Initial research efforts focused on bonefish tagging to collect much-needed data on population baseline, size, growth, and range of movement and satellite tagging of tarpon to learn more about their movement patterns. "As the organization and funding grew, so did BTU’s scope of work. The first Bonefish and Tarpon Research Symposium was held in 2003, bringing together 20 participating scientists and a large group from the public. The next symposium was held three years later (and every three years since), hosting 35 scientists. This represented significant progress from BTU’s founding six years earlier when nobody was actively engaged in bonefish or tarpon research. "In 2009, BTU became Bonefish & Tarpon Trust (BTT). The following year, the first annual journal was published, which highlighted the research and conservation efforts for bonefish, tarpon and permit and their habitats. The circulation the first year was 2,500 and has since grown to over 15,000, focusing not only on research and conservation but also fishing articles, angler profiles, photos and more. "Around 2010, BTT began to broaden its geographic scope, focusing research and conservation efforts in the Bahamas, Cuba, Belize and Mexico and expanding its work to include permit and other flats species. "In recent years, BTT has applied its scientific credibility and research efforts to policy and regulation advocacy in Florida and throughout the Caribbean. This has included work with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) to revise and improve regulations for bonefish, tarpon, permit and barracuda, and work in the Bahamas to create National Parks to protect critical bonefish spawning locations BTT identified from future development. "BTT continues to work with a number of collaborating institutions to expand our knowledge of the fisheries through research, educate the public about issues facing the fisheries, and is working with FWC and other agencies at the national and international level to improve the conservation regulations for bonefish, tarpon, permit and their habitats. And, finally, consider the BTT's Accomplishments ( where the local (e.g., FL Keys & Bahamas) saltwater guides associations were among the many vested constituencies recruited & engaged. The problems and solutions are Not local to Cape Cod, MA. Consider all of the Striper habitats and migration paths where adults spawn... juveniles mature... etc. throughout the calendar year. Let's bring science to the fight!! -- FlyFoolingFish (fka RL2TF)
  4. Are you in SE Florida — e.g., Indian River / Mosquito Lagoon; Vero Beach; or Port St Lucie? If so, talk to the knowledgeable fly fishing folks at White’s Tackle. They’re quite close to many of the guides in those areas and might have pertinent information. How deep is the water where they’re rolling? What does the bottom look like beneath them: atop some sttructure or ledge; or near some turtle or other sea grass (that holds shrimp)? Meanwhile, I too have been similarly frustrated and will be trying a “flatwing” in Sept/Oct
  5. Speechless and echoing the above - sigh; I’m just praying for a ‘Miracle’.
  6. Alferd; Indeed I am. Never been to Sweetwater. But, Mike, my friend since high school ('74) in Cleveland has seen >> 500 shows, knows Bob quite well, and urged me to visit while here -Beantown- for last night's Dead & Co show at Gillette. Nope; no car - don't wanta drive "under the influence". Cheers, Thomas
  7. Hello. I'm visiting Mill Valley (CA) for a few days in early August to enjoy some shows at the Sweetwater Music Hall and am thinking about fly fishing the nearby saltwater. Comfortable & equipped to fishing the inshore and onshore salt of Massachusetts (e.g., Cape Cod) and Florida (SEast & Keys), I aim to avert Spot Burn" yet request / need your observations and suggestion(s) concerning whatever opportunity(ies) might or might not be presented within walking distance of my hotel - i.e., Pickleweed Inlet, Bothin Marsh Preserve, Coyote Creek, and Silva Island. I'd also very much appreciate suggested patterns & size(s) to bring, or tie. Please PM if, as needed to avert Spot Burn. Thanks in advance. RL2TF
  8. Rollystone - First and foremost, Congratulations on your exceeding the exceptionally high threshold requirements for acceptance at HMS! Also, condolences in advance for all of the forthcoming sleep deprivation. It’s grueling! With respect to the foregoing, you may find useful for daytrips to the suggested fresh and salt water areas. Also, the Boston chapter of Trout Unlimited is quite active. Meanwhile, I’d urge you to contact Dave Skok (, a professional photographer, professional saltwater fly tier, and accomplished fly fisherman of Boston Harbor waters who lives in Winthrop, which is a peninsula, with Boston Harbor proper on one side, and Broad Sound on the ocean side. A 12/2001 published interview of him reports, “[He] leads guided fishing trips in Boston and on Martha’s Vineyard; and, also relates that he then-frequently ran into Jack Garside fishing around Winthrop and Revere, MA. (See Best wishes for your continued successes. RL2TF
  9. Outstanding guys!!! Wishing I was still there. Onshore ly fishing for snook & jacks near the Jetty was just heating up when the first schools of ‘greenies’ appeared as I/we were packing for return to Massachusetts. Brother in law lives in Admirals and has a boat. Going to send him link to your posting.
  10. Floating if water is calm or if wind is offshore (from West). But, if there’s significant on-shore wind that increases wave action such that slack is created & line control/feel is lost, use intermediate. Experienced saltwater FFs suggested intermediate when I began fishing these waters....problem solved.
  11. Ouch! Double-ouch!! Hoping, praying for the best, BFD!!!
  12. Recent high-energy wind & waves have done a nice job at creating troughs very close to water’s edge. Try casting your fly parallel to shore into the trough during that 6:30 - 7:30 period of falling tide. And, if it’s a very calm, bright day you can sight fish for (skittish) snook in the skinny water if you look from well above circa 20’ back from the water’s edge. Snook is C&R unless in 28”-32” slot. Delicious white meat if you fillet by removing skin & dark meat under the ‘line’.
  13. My brother (green shirt) and I had not gone fishing together for ~50 years. We joined a friend of his on the Soquee River in Northern Georgia. His first was the rainbow. My favorite was/is a Brown. Even better than the fishing; we had a damn good time with our host & his friend (our guide) as we cooked some local meats and washed ‘em down with some well-aged grape juice & peach brandy (moonshine).
  14. FYI.... It's a prudent move and not entirely unexpected given the persistent, quasi-annual consequences of discharged water from Lake Okeechobee. Sanibel and Sarasota are in the center of it all. FWC makes snook, redfish temporarily catch-and-release only in areas affected by red tide Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission sent this bulletin at 08/30/2018 10:20 AM EDT Aug. 30, 2018 FWC makes snook, redfish temporarily catch-and-release only in areas affected by red tide The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) has temporarily made snook and redfish catch-and-release only from the northernmost point of Anna Maria Island in Manatee County to Gordon Pass in Collier County. This was done through an Executive Order in response to the naturally-occurring red tide bloom in southwest Florida and is in effect until the next FWC Commission meeting, which starts Sept. 26. “I support Executive Director Eric Sutton’s decision to implement the Executive Order as we continue to manage this world-class fishery for future generations,” said FWC Chairman Bo Rivard. “We will continue working with our partners and will evaluate next steps at our Commission meeting the end of September.” Sutton has spent significant time in the areas most impacted by naturally-occurring red tide. He and staff will continue to work with local communities and partners as the FWC manages this issue to ensure recovery of the fisheries. “We’ve seen the devastation to the redfish and snook populations in southwest Florida, and we support the catch-and-release initiative taken by FWC,” said Brian Gorski, Executive Director of Coastal Conservation Association Florida. “In working with the FWC on this initiative, we’ve heard support from members and guides throughout the state who also understand the need for such a change, to ensure that generations to come can enjoy the thrill of catching one of these iconic species.” The FWC thanks Gov. Rick Scott for his continual leadership and proactive response during this time. FWC staff will continue working with partners moving forward, including local governments and stakeholders. Regulations outside of those counties remain unchanged, including the Sept. 1 snook season opening that occurs in other Gulf and Atlantic state waters. For more information, visit and click on "About," then "Executive Orders," or click here.