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  1. not to excuse the inaccurate numbers, esp in the past, or the really bad decisions managers make with those numbers! just wanted to highlight that the work mrip people do is generally pretty good and has quite a bit of thought in it! always room for improvement
  2. oops, my mistake! haven't been around it for a bit, my apologies!
  3. also just to chime in a bit to help clear a few things about mrip. i did some work with mrip back when it was transitioned from the wasteful, crappy, private contractors to state control. in a super stripped down, catch estimates are generated by the combination of catch-per-unit-effort (cpue) and effort data. cpue is the measure of how much a person catches in a given length of time fishing, and effort is the amount of people fishing and how often they fish. CPUE is determined through direct surveys of fishermen, and measurements of the fish they catch. effort is determined by a mail survey distributed based on the state registries. this is of course broken down by sectors, private boat, shore, and charter. you may not be surprised to find that private boats catch the majority of all the fish (in a perfect world, i think it would really make sense to have different regs for boat vs shore fishermen) i have to say I was pretty impressed by the work the surveyors do on the ground. it's a lot of work gathering the data, making sure it is accurate, and dealing with folks who can occasionally be openly hostile/threatening. when the states took over the surveys, the amount of data gathered went way up, since they know their own fisheries, and can tailor it to work for their local area. the data gathered is pretty good data, all things considered. each data point itself is a terribly inaccurate measure of what the total catch is. this is basic statistics. when you get more data, the accuracy improves, and any outlier's naturally become less influential, even excluding the work the model does to clear outliers. the notorious wave 6 2016 data is likely an example of this, generally you have much less fishing effort in wave 6, and so you have less samples. less samples, less confidence in the overall estimate. since its a small number of samples, for a small amount of effort, this isn't going to affect the accuracy your larger coastal, or yearly catch estimates nearly as much. excluding this data would actually make it less accurate. if you have outliers that need to be removed, its much better to look at them in the context of the entire dataset. if you haven't seen a surveyor, even in a long time, I'm not surprised. the simple fact is that there are millions of people who fish recreationally, and you just can't survey more than a small fraction of that population within a reasonable budget. luckily, you don't need to survey all of them. you need enough to give you a representative sample, the size of which varies based on the population you're looking at, which is likely represented in the pse numbers. another reason you may not be surveyed is that owners of private marinas or party boats or any private property can refuse to allow access. so if your particular marina doesn't want surveyors there, you won't see them. luckily, plenty of places (at least where i worked) have a good relationship and allow for the collection of plenty of data. your average charter captain in a busy port probably knows the mrip folks pretty well. also if i recall correctly, new york had one of the worst recreational data programs on the coast, despite having some of the highest fishing pressures. maybe this has changed by now?
  4. **wrong about vtrs, see makomike's post below lol that most discussions of fishery inevitably end up spinning circles around mrip, its like godwins law for fishing forums
  5. they were there last week, if you were gonna do it I'd go soon, based on the pattern of the past few years. interestingly, they don't seem to be as driven by water temperatures as they have in the past, maybe they're more seasonally driven than i expected, or they're much more flexible on the lower bound than the upper?
  6. Thanks for the info DZ! will give it another shot
  7. been a lot of herring around this year, for the past week or two. kinda surprising given the poor status of the stock, esp in the gulf of maine (trawlers havent even hit their quota for the year if i recall correctly.) though there's been a lot of bait around even this late, silversides and peanut bunker. fish have been spitting up what i believe are juvenile silver hake (whiting) as well. speaking of whiting, i've been on a hunt recently to try to find one from shore, I've heard there used to be a big late fall fishery for them and i'm interested in seeing if anything remains! been fishing herring chunks on bottom rigs at night, in what seem like possible spots to me, but all i've caught is big macks. does anyone have any intel on where a whiting might be found? or how to target them? i think it'd be super cool to see if this fishery still exists in any form around here.
  8. is that what all the trawlers fishing a mile off the beaches are after? was wondering what they've been after as it doesn't seem like herring are around this year... also if you mean the nantucket squid buffer, i believe that died in committee last year, as the managers "wanted to see the effects of their latest rules" lol. does anyone target whiting recreationally? if they're around in big numbers im surprised the party boats wouldn't go after them. oh and season was probably average for me, lots of small bass. surprised to find lots of blitzing fish in mid august, but couldn't catch anything of size till october. lots of peanuts this year, and good for green bonito. real poor on the squid front, though.
  9. can confirm the tiny peanuts-- very excited to see them get bigger this fall!!!! and blues, finally,some size to them as well. hoping the population is ok, and they were just late. we'll find out i suppose. anybody seeing any chub macks?
  10. I do herring in the winter time when they're around. a fun food project if yr into that sort of thing and it's not hard-- just use a pressure canner, specs for pressure and time should come with it. stuff tastes way better than store bought stuff, great for sandwiches, pasta sauce etc.
  11. observed 2 dead mid 20's bass floating in the stuff last week-- could've been coincidence bc of current eddies and etc, but curious if anyone else has seen anything similar?
  12. coool thanks-- are they more an oceanic species or do you find them in the bays as well?
  13. want to catch some skates, no idea what to look for though. anyone got any general approaches they'd be willing to share?
  14. those isolated 3-6" fish are definitely reproducing. i know because I've observed both redds and active redd digging/courting/spawning in certain spots. i wouldn't fish for them b/c not really fair, they're pretty food desperate and represent super marginal populations. but real cool to see.
  15. any news about mackerel this winter? favorite eating fish in the world