Since morningwood and dave c are talking directly about me. Let me clarify, since Tim S didnt. First things first, either block me or just dont respond to my post. Going forward I will not buy anything from either of you. Problem solved.
Now, these will be fished means. I dont need box in came in or stock hardware, not a collector. Therefore it should be easier to box and cheaper to ship.
Plus dave c offered the wrong item! Not a red dot factory loaded redfins, but stout redfins. Thought I was pretty clear in post.
Morningwood when questioned about weight, gave a I guess answer.
But you two have alot to say about everyone else.