Maxg

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  1. I have to say that nuts is not just nuts, it's absolutely bloody crazy. I know the Sydney types play silly games but there are limits to everything, and one is a coffin. That video is an example of (Blackfish) Luderick angling off the local Sydney etc, gibbers. And it's done with DD reels, or was until threaddies came around. There are many things to worry about with rock fishing, apart from the wet finish that might happen, but you need to know about fish and water and line drag and how to keep the line drag low and it isn't dipping the rod tip. Like from the first hook up the line very rarely leaves the side of the fish like between the hook entry point and the fishes tail. All caused by fish velocity and water drag on the line. Which means that waving rods around to vary pull effects is nuts, because a few metres at your end is mm's at the fish end. Pelagic fishes do not have swim bladders which means that if they stop swimming, they sink, not like demersals, swim bladder types. which just float. If for example a fish weighed as much as 100lb, in the water,and moving away at 10 knots, and you were pulling on it with a 20lb line, how long do you think it would take to even disturb it. Hours/days, never. But they can't weigh 100lb in water, nor do they go fast enough to pull 100lb. You catch therm because of that difference between in or out of water.. A 9 foot shark, on the surface heading away at maybe 10 knots, rather quickly, breaks a 20lb tippet in seconds. If you just lock things up. If you just reduce the pressure it will get to the horizon in a few minutes and mostly they don't stop there. Like your choice. And the pic of the bait atr Cuvier, yep at one such event, lasted 3 days and there were whales feeding in the mess, along with marlin, sharks and big tuna. I was working and missed the dam thing. Cheers MaxG
  2. I'm sorry but???? Test indicate that knots DO NOT WORK in GsP braids, and it matters not what the Graid Brand is, its all braided from GsP yarn. I know it must hurt to be told that "Your Nuts" but truth does hurt. Sorry about that. The basic problem is that the yarn is very thin and slippery, and under load the knots simply tighten up, and start cutting turns. GsP knots vary from 40% to 80% knot strength and one of the worst types of knots,are Uni Knots. Cheers MaxG.
  3. This may appear ridiculous, but after 3 years of research on gsp there is NOT ONE KNOT WORTH FOOLING with. Firstly the problem lies with the GsP yarn, from which the line is braided, and it is as stiff as a board. Liker if you extruded it as a line with mono dimensions and tried to loop it, the loop would be as stiff as a post and have the diameter of a bike wheel. Its very slippery and because the yarns are very thin, measured in denier, around 1200 denier is normal, the konts just slip under any kind of tension. I'll bet all you guys are using heavy, like 50 plus pound GsP, or even 80lb. You could try this, slip a length of GsP braid up inside of a length of braided mono, like 25 gsp up 35lb braided mono, and just using one drop of a good super glue, like Loctite 406 glue te two lines together. After allowing the join to set, try pulling it apart. You might find that the 25lb GsP will break before it pulls out of the braided mono. There are knots that you can tie that will have break strains in the 60/75lb area but getting 100% is not likely. I wouldn't bother trying to join GsP with knots but you could do up two spliced loops, one in each length of GsP which would give you a 100% connection. If you send me an email I will send the recipe. I'm not kidding about this stuff, I tested GsP for 3 years with just about every imaginable knot and none reached 100% strength. I was advised bya guy at DSM HPF who invented GsP, that I was wasting my time testing the line they had already tested to hell and gone. You could ask Honeywell. They braid the yarn to produce GsP lines. MaxG. Max.garth@gmail.com
  4. Well its 13 miles from Quobba Station, which is about 30 miles from Carnarvon. You can get at it with standard cars, and there is a track down the cliff at Camp Rock, named for the ability to camp?? I sat on the edge of that cliff, just east of the salt works and looked at it in 1966 and vowed to give it a burst. But I didn't fish flies in those days, I started that after complaining to Cal Hoover, a Yank, at Onslow in 1968, I think, about the ease of catching fish out of the huge bucket in front of anglers. Wherever you cast a lure it got swallowed, often by monsters. Anyway Cal said "you could try SWF is a bit harder'. So I got him to tell me how it worked and I got my first fly rod off a guy called Doug Clegg at Linnets Tackle tackle shop in Perth. He got a Jarvis Walker Gold Medal bream rod,9'6" and cut the bottom grip, 6" off the end with a hand saw and said, "There you go Max, a Salt Water Fly Rod". It handled a 5# line and I used it for about a year, before I got a12 weight Fenwick. One of my first tricks was that I did some testing on Queenfish, which were summer visitors at the CarnarvonJetty, I lived in Carnarvon, worked at the NASA Tracking Station at Carnarvon, for the Apollo program, 10 years of that. I built 70 poppers out of which, after 55 days of fishing,every day like, I got 5 records for the species, lost 55 poppers to queenies, trevally and a few mackerel. After that I was sort of hooked and just got at it all over the joint, mostly on rocks or off boats. I've been doing it ever since. Regardless of opinions, I do know what I'm on about, whether its game fishing, spinning or SWF, but I prefer shooting with pistols and handgun hunting. I've also been into diving, boxing and played football. Rugby and League. I am not just full of SWF, I do NOT fish fresh water for trout. They are feral in this country, and I'm definitely a native species type. I however think that most Swoffers, most definitely, seem to think its Gods gift, but its very old hat fishing, and antique really since the gear was developed for fresh water and trout, a long time ago, like the BC times and the Chinese used DD reels in 1100. You might not like this but DD reels, or the idea of what is or is not a fly reel, derived from the trout fishing system, is very old hat stuff. Like those BC eras. I used A/R reels, Feurers in those early days, because they were more efficient than DD types. Still are. And there is more to it, than just the reel. There is YOU, and what you really believe, know or want. The ideal reel for SWF is the Henschel Dual Mode, if you have to stay away from gearing. And if you use one, its a 10 second bit of learning that will let you grow up a tad. I don't use one because over a lot of years I've been after gearing, in fly reels, but never did find one that could do the job. I didn't want to use standard multiplying reels which i knew would work. Now its different, I do use, I have one fitted for fly, like a Penn 49L Mariner. And its better than ANY DD reel and costs a few buks not millions vbg. Finally when this "Get a Billy off a brick" thing came up, I just had to get the reel and HAD to get it made by Terry. And it HAD TO BE IGFA LEGAL. What is a fact is that geared reels, for other methods, are more technical, more efficient than DD reels, or fly reels generally but are cheaper. Can you explain that? Why a very big geared reel built for game fishing is cheaper than a DD fly reel. You can get any number of geared reels, suitable for SWF use, with that backward spool rotation, for much cheaper prices and are more efficient than ANY DD thing. And the spool stuff is very easy to get used to. Cheers MaxG Oh no you don't, Max. I've left a piece of the usual at the end, and eliminated the troll. BrianBM
  5. DO you mean mine Bubba... sorry. MaxG.
  6. Maybe you should ask the questions, maybe we can answer them. And on the boat subject, and the division, its probably 100 or maybe 1000, but 10lb of anything taken off a gibber is worth 1000lb taken off a boat. Just kidding, but it should be around that, VBG. MaxG.
  7. And that usually means having the reel about the top of the bottom grip. I don't feel much of the reel weight, with two hands, since its spread across my chest and both arms and I only use one back cast, its supposed to be a 13' rod, but currently its a TFO switch GDE 500/700gns. And there is very little running line out, like I use a SA 45' 750gn head, S7 and aim at getting at least 80 feet with a 10 foot leader. Which means about 35 odd feet of running line, out of the runners. I want a 13' rod, probably a Talon 3 piece, in GDE of 700/950gns. I've looked at CTS, not really impressed with the 12 footer. Cheers MaxG
  8. Looking at ALL of the fish caught in Australia on long rods and DD reels, some A/R and made by Alvey, like up to around 8 inches diameter, get a look at the Alvey site, might cause some funny thoughts. But big fish have been caught on those things, building started in the 1890's I believe, and the long rods go up to 18 feet for beach use, as well as 15 feet for off the rocks. There are some very nice reels on the Alvey list, and a lot of big fish have been caught, but Zane Grey a pretty well known fishing guy, ended his relationship with DD reels for game fishing in 1927. Since he was a pretty good angler and got stuck into many VERY large fish he must have had a valid reason for his departure from the DD theory. A large part of my research into geared fly reels was related to that Penn 49L which is a standard overhead type, but like every other multiplying reel has similar things to what might be needed for fly fishing. Except of course that because it only has a two gear system, the spool rotates backward. And funnily enough if you look inside your pet threadline you will discover just two gears. So its not all that funny that some reels have two drive gears. But who complains about Eggbeaters. The ONLY difference between my Hayden Maxum and a Penn 49L is that spool rotation. Which, as I found out doesn't mean anything in the performance, and if you set it up under a fly rod you will find it beats DD reels to hell and gone. And its only about 4.25" diameter and 3.5:1 gearing Peter Morse and Noddy Radford did some rod pulling tests with DD reels and 9 foot rods, and you certainly pull some weight if the tippet is hefty and you point the rod at the fish, regardless of it's size. You can certainly pull its head off. Remember fish in water weigh nothing, their weight is in relation to the thrust they set up, or their swimming effort. So its only AFTER it is out of the water and under gravitation that it weighs anything at all. And their effort is about energy, which varies with the effort and they often, in relation to species, give up very easily or use up energy lifting them selves out of the water. Which is why game fishing works. Doesn't it??? There is more to landing fish that just measuring the weight. Take a large fish at 200 yards, and you are on a fixed platform. How much does weight applied to the hook in its mouth vary as it swims about out there. Anything or nothing, and how much variation of effort on that hook, can you apply by moving a 9 foot rod from the left side to the right side, if the fish moves or stays put. Cheers MaxG. .
  9. This is a very common ocurrance, not only at Steep Point but right along that area of the WA coast from Geraldton North. Its well known that there are go's and no go'es and obviously it was "a no go time". What gets me, and I've been climbing those gibbers for years, like 50 or so, on and off and "that" rock at Quobba has killed three people. High Rock has knocked off 4 I think, and the list from Albany to Exmouth is pretty large yet they keep getting killed. Those big king waves come up about every 10 or so waves, it depends on their velocity, which tends to cause a big build up of average wave heights to a few king waves. and that means a bit of waiting time before one ventures onto the platform. We had "wate" times and stuck to them. There is a hard and fast rule, "IF IT'S TOO ROUGH, STAY OFF THE BLOODY THINGS. DEAD IS DEAD". I am truly very sorry for those people, but after my, and many others, experiences, which are common knowledge in WA fishing groups,and all over the State, how the hell it can happen beats me. To get to that location takes hours of travel, in a 4X4, rough stuff, and it is rough. And if the place is rough, water wise, get back in and go home or to the nearest pub at Denham. There is a story about Quobba Station, a sheep station, and, in the old days, they employed Chinese cooks in shearing times. Friday was "fish dinner" time and occasionally, since they usually fished off HIGH ROCK, a really terrible gibber to be on at any time they sometimes didn't come home to cook dinner. After a short look, and a lamb dinner, they got a new Chinese cook. One more High ROCK fatality. So it's no secret about fatalities. And anglers should every careful. MaxG. .
  10. There is access down the cliff a bit back from the pic coverage. I first fished it in 1969 or so and the first time I stepped on it I used a very light 5# rod and the fist fish that looked at the fly was a very big red snapper, like in the 15lb region. It looked like an oversize mangrove jack and I quit right then. everything was huge. The bluefish were about 10 to 15lbs, and mackerel looked to be 50 plus pounds. It was called Garths Rock after some guys from Perth made a visit, which was hilarious really, but after it was over Ross Cusack who was the editor of Western Angler Magazine labelled it as GarthsRock. Three people have died off there, basically because part of the track in is at water level,pretty dangerous stuff. The whole of the rocks from Quobba to Cuvier have a pretty high death rate. The normal name for it is the 13 mile because the Quobba Station 13 mile fence is right at the top of the cliff. I usually don't call it Garths Rock. I think its everyone's rock really. And I think it belongs to the fishes that live there. It is a very good fly casting platform, lot of room behind for the line floggers, like false casting gentlemen. I just use one backcast, and up line my shooting heads 3 weights. You don't get a lot of time to cast flies to fast moving fish. I have tried casting a TFO 11' switch off the other rocks a bit further north, and these days I do not use SH rods its all DH stuff. I'd think you only need to have one serious look to understand why the geared reel for fishing off that place, I've had things do 500 yard belts out of there, and not come back. And after those out of sight belts they can turn around and belt back to the rocks. Not funny and very arm wrecking with DD reels. We used to fish off the point, under the Salt Jetty and one trip resulted in 6 hits, no fish and I didn't see any of them. They took the fly deep and departed rather rapidly. But the point is not usable these days. Lockout. My last trip up there was designed to be a DH rod testing time, but the weather just locked it out although I did get to cast the TFO Switch along with the geared reel. Rather amazing stuff really, and kind of proved the reality of both bits of gear. That place isn't for nutters. Very dangerous and the fish can be huge, and I mean huge one shark, off which I caught two 35lb cobia was a Tiger and 15 feet long and it got mixed up with the fish. They occasionally get feeding frenzies which include even bilfish and might go on for days and cover a couple of miles of rocks. I missed the last one that occurred. But that's it, my platform, the 13 mile gibber at Cape Cuvier. Maxg
  11. Well those flies are used to tease fish and while they might be right under those circumstances, i've had sharks eat very small flies. these days using DH rods, like a TFO 11' Switch I use 6 inch things. But I use shooting heads, sinking, and only one backcast. MaxG
  12. (*Edited - it won't last at all because it won't make it out of mod queue like that. TimS)
  13. Well guys. F1 and the like, I think you live the dreams, I don't fish out of boats, I got out of that years ago and my fly fishing is just me and the fish, me on a rock and the fish doing its thing. If you want to talk comparisons, try the ocean gibbers. Until then, please save your breath, it's boring. So I suggest you give it away. There are a few mutipliers out there, one that I saw on the net was chain drive which removes the gears and some are low gear types but I think that people do, in general fishing exercises, use multiplying reels more often than they use DD reels, so just about EVERYONE knows what geared reels are all about. But I can tell you that one day, I might even be dead, but fly anglers will use geared reels, because quite simply the DD system, with its low effeciency, will die a death and its not that far away really. I have said that I don't believe that fresh water fly fishing needs geared reels, but SWF does and people are going to move into the DH rods and that will bring geared reels into play. Basically because 9 foot rods are too short to fish in a great range of areas, where DH rods simply shine. Dave Longen for example uses a 14 footer out of a 14 foot boat, and he also uses Skagit type tackle. Like wierd really. but very successful. I think Terry gave the thing away because of the crap that landed on his head, but he does have a design that is very good. There are things relating to DH rods and geared reels that need looking at. , One is that the DH Rod design and the two hand grip changes the weight distribution and the balance to the point where any out of balance more or less disappears. Its not uncomfortable to use large geared reels on DH rods, even 11 footers. And casting effort is reduced to just one backcast, or just one roll cast, and the overall effort is simple not a problem. In fact if anything will put geared reels out there in numbers it's the ease of delivery over a wide range of applications. DH rods are better off beaches, as is the two hand casting, and off jetties, rocks, Cheers MaxG.
  14. Well I suggest you contact Terry Hayden, who might just make you one, or you could have a look at the multiplier reels available to "other" anglers and they just might fit your task, although the spool goes backwards. I put a couple of pics on Dans board, one of a DD reel. You might find it amusing VBG. But in the general run of Fly fishing using 9 footers, I don't think a multiplier would be useful because of the weight, and after all the application is rather light considering that a "super heavy" 13# rod is only an ounce in load. I don't use 9 foot rods any more, only DH rods in GDE, grain delivery envelopes, of 650/950 plus which is about the useful area for geared reels, because of the weight and the two hand grab. I don't find geared reels to be heavy, and since at 3:1 gearing the input is 45" per handle rev at 5" diameter, that's nearly 4 feet and the rotation certainly gets a heap of line onto the reel when its necessary. The other thing I find useful is the lack of arm overload, since the only time you are really stressed s when you to go into really fast winding, like when the fish is coming at you. But when fishing off rocks like I do, when I get the chance, there is a lot of sideways fish movement, like it runs straight out and then starts swimming from one side to the other. Like from bank to bank. I think you would need to actually give the gibbers a go, and find out what the differences are. Its not like boats, beaches or jettties or creeks. Not all the fishes are monsters and often you get blitzed by sharks etc.What I find is that just about everybody has multiplier experience because MOST of their fishing is just normal stuff, except for the fly fanatics who fish the small fresh water species, which isn't in the market for geared reels. And which I do not do, like fly fish fresh water, because I'm Australian, and trout/salmon are feral animals in this country, or should be since they are imports and not native. Most of my fly fishing is off rocks, and very few of you guys do that, from what I read into posts, mostly about boat fishing with fly, which is not at all like rocks. Rocks don't swan around on the ocean towing teasers and doing the drop cast, like 5 feet off the stern and drive the boat ahead. If you use a DH rod, and want to try a geared reel, very cheap like, cost me $250 buks AUS, I suggest a Penn 49L Mariner to do your testing. It does everything a fishing reel does, but the spool goes backwards but you get used to that. NO spool holes which is handy and has a carbontec drag system and it's 3.5:1 gearing. Stick it on a 13 foot DH rod in the 650/800 GDE class with a 45'SA S7 head. Wonderful stuff. Is that OK MR Mod. MaxG
  15. TimS.... I really don't think you seem to understand what the fly fishing reality is, it goes from 1# 6" rods to 20' 1500gn DH monsters, in fresh and salt water and inside that range are lots of reasons for departures from the fanatical theories about the "right" reels for fly guys to use. Fact is if anyone stuck a 5" DD reel on a 20 foot DH rod they would automatically fit into the total nutter class. Fact is multiplying reels are not crap, they are perfectly usable reels on particular class fly rods, and have been so for many years and this is obvious from those reels that have been produced in the past, and are still produced today. Any " NORMAL" angler has only to use one, to get the message about the things. Like they bloody well do work, and a damm sight better than any 5" DD reel ever invented. But there are limits to their use, and I fully understand this. I do not regard mutiplier reels as suitable for 9 foot and smaller fly rods, or even for very light DH rods. And let me point out that MOST BIG fish are caught on fly gear off boats, mobile platforms, which, technically, add about 80% plus to the capture rate. In other words its pretty well impossible to land very large fish from stationary platforms, ocean rock platforms, on standard everyday fly gear . I think the above post explains why if you are smart enough to read between the lines. (*Edited - leave other people and other forums out of your posts - TimS) But the other fishing methods, described on that forum of yours, directly opposite to the fly forum, do not seem to fit the theories of the fly guys. What you have are two forums, one about general fishing, in which 99.999% of anglers use multiplying reels, because off their ease of use and effeciency, while on the other forum are fly guys who are offering exactly the opposite. DD reels beat the crap out of evertything. Do you believe that mush. And as you say "For the love of all that is fly fishing" you need to not tell the truth or not understand the facts, about fly fishing and the range of applied tackle and this involves fly reels, be they DD A/R Dual Mode or Multipliers EVERY TIME I have discussed multiplier fly reels it has been in relation to very large fish off ocean rock platforms I have NEVER said that they should be used on light fly outfits. And neither F1 or BenL have EVER stated that they have fished off ocean rocks for large Marlin, but they are the Forum Experts who like me, have NEVER hooked a billfish off an ocean rock platform. And they give me hell, which means what. They and you are right, don't think so. You because you support their biased "off topic" opinions. And they are off topic really Multiplier fly reels are IGFA legal, and that means they are 100% usable. Don't you accept that? But please get your story right. I only push geared fly reels for large fish on DH rods off ocean rocks, basically because that's where DD reels fall flat on their old hat technology. And I do not and never have pushed them for boat use although I have used them off boats on fly gear, as well as on jigging gear and game gear. I don't think a normal angler would need to be very smart to know how they perform. MaxG.