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About CaryGreene

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    I love the Canal!!
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    Fly Fishing and Tying, Saltwater & Freshwater Fishing, Boating and Jet Skis.
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    Director of North American Retail for Benjamin Moore Paints

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  1. I actually thought at the time that Fly Fishing companies would reject the concept for a number of reasons. Fly Fishing companies are traditional & conservative. They innovate with new materials, nano silicates, particle encapsulation & alignment, newer & lighter ways to build the same old thing. They also view saltwater fishing as a tropical sport & generally something that is not done from shore. This much we all can agree on. What I thought was that the customer base, which is a fairly fixed group that isn't growth-stagnant & also fairly traditional, would not see the benefit because 99% of them aren't trying to cast to the moon with larger flies. from shore, to reach a pod of breaking fish. Most will simply switch to spinning equipment..etc. Where I saw success with the concept was with an innovative minded "distributor" mind set start up type company who might want to turn the sport upside down & break every damn rule in the book with a flashy attitude that was aimed more at converting existing "fishermen" than it was listening to, caring about or trying to capture the hearts & souls of a bunch of old, set in their ways Fly Fishing purists intent on managing running line tangles while waves are hitting them in the face - a VERY small group of folks actually. Not a lot sales potential with them & with non-destination Fly Fishermen in general. My concept became my own fun & I like to fly under the radar anyhow, so I didn't care much then, about Fly Fishing companies opinions and I don't today. THEY have to make & sell stuff. Who am I to tell them anything. Its not my place & I'm pretty sure they know their market a whole lot better than I do. So to answer your question - I didn't really care what they thought as I believed the idea was beyond their grasp, their marketing ability, their core beliefs, their financial means to launch and generally too far outside the box to be something, for them, that would sell because quite frankly, their customers wouldn't buy it. - outside of a 2 or three of us on SOL. LOL
  2. Uhh. The points I made here are about tying consistently similar flies from a production standpoint. Not sure fish care at all but that wasn't the point. I was commenting that YES - it is easily possible, even with larger-sized fly patterns to tie several dozen and have them all look very close to one another. Will there be small differences or inconsistencies? Yes and this is the case with any sized fly however better fly tires and expert commercial producers can minimize differences without a doubt. I used to pass a guy every morning who was fishing one of the biggest and gnarliest and ugliest and poorly tied wooly buggers I've ever seen in my life -with a full sinking line. He would stay in the same spot all day long ,fishing into a deep pool in a river I used to fish as a kid. I would go buy him and work several hundred yards of river, maybe even more depending on the day, then I would come back through and he'd be gone but I would see him in the parking lot at duskvand he always had a nice big fish. I'd grab a sandwich and then head back out to night fish and I was only sure of one thing. Nothing. We aren't fish we are fishermen. Sometimes we catch and sometimes we don't. To your point, fish do not care about consistency in fly bin at all. But customers do. If I want a number 18 Shad Fly and I want a dozen of them I'd like them all to be as close to the same as possible. The same is true of saltwater flies. I like flies of a given hook size to be proportioned correctly. It's a big turn-off to look at a fly bin and see a bunch of messy looking flies that aren't consistently tied. I have seen quality operations I have seen garbage and I know the difference. If I look in a fly bin, as a customer, and I see a bunch of flies in a certain size and they all don't look similar I'm walking out and I'm not spending a dime. The Assumption I will make is that the Flies aren't that good even though almost every single fly in that bin that I snubbed would probably catch a fish. Obviously I haven't bought a store-bought fly in about 40 years but the point is that if you're going to tie flies commercially you need to be consistent and you need to develop and produce consistent products. The larger the commercial operation and the higher the volume the harder it is to achieve what I'm talking about.
  3. After looking at the pictures I think based on the wings and also the shape of the body we can safely rule out the fact that it is not a Caddis fly. If I had to guess I would say it is a diptera species.
  4. Yes, I addressed that in my post - "Today's fly bins also feature numerous Larger Salmon, Tropical & General Saltwater patterns. Differences from fly to fly is more easily visible due to the much larger fly & hence readily apparent." "Pre-measuring materials is also more challenging & less applicable with many Saltwater patterns. However, great attention to proportions & production tying techniques can go a long way towards helping standardize. As can awareness of dimensions which can also help." "Fly Tying actually can be very precise. It just mostly isn't today."
  5. Happy Holidays Mike. I grew up in Roscoe, NY & assure you that history would contradict what commercial piece rate enterprises are displaying in retail fly bins today. Orvis sources flies primarily from Kenya, Sri Lanka, Trinidad & other countries with strong hand made textiles presence. They can teach a group of seamstress various patterns, provide them with materials & pay 3 to 5 cents apiece for the labor. (then ship them bulk to their fulfillment D/C & mark them up tremendously) Side Fact: Flies & Materials both, as categories, provide 800 to 900 Basis Points - making selling them almost as profitable as selling a cup of coffee. With smaller flies, tolerances are generally good among accepted lots the ladies turn in, but they may vary significantly from tier to tier - even though each tier turns in lots of flies that are nearly identical. This is due to lack of standardization from fly tier to fly tier and the concept is perpetuated due to volume. In the region I grew up the primary Fly Shop was run by Walt & Winnie Dette. Their bins were chock-full during season. Walt was able to create a method of standardization and production fly tying on a small scale that was rivaled only by the House of Harrop. Every single fly in every single bin was literally identical. This is primarily because of one critical step that Walt implemented. All materials were meticulously sized before production tying began.. The Dette's operation was not only capable of fully stocking fly bins in an extraordinarily busy tourist town "mom & pop" shop ( literally sold from their living room in their house which was converted into their Fly Shop) but they also filled substantial orders from their fly catalog. When you combine this sizing step with immense skill, such as the Dette Method, & countless hours of repetitive movement & high motor memory, standardization of size & silhouette is achieved. Walt brought German precision & his mechanical engineering skill to the operation & great attention to proportion & detail was evident in every fly they produced. They were sparsely tied works of art, each fly of a given size was identical to the next. Today's high-volume fly shops do pretty well considering 99% of them don't pre-measure materials prior to commencing production. With the smaller fly patterns on a modern shop''s bins, variations are less evident to the untrained eye. However if you compared an Orvis bin today with a Dette bin of lore, the differences would be astounding and noticeable immediately. Today's fly bins also feature numerous Larger Salmon, Tropical & General Saltwater patterns. Differences from fly to fly is more easily visible due to the much larger fly & hence readily apparent. Pre-measuring materials is also more challenging & less applicable with many Saltwater patterns. However, great attention to proportions & production tying techniques can go a long way towards helping standardize. As can awareness of dimensions which can also help. Fly Tying actually can be very precise. It just mostly isn't today. -Cary
  6. Thank you bmac, feel free. Doesn't foul at all & swims really nice.Let's see what you come up with.
  7. The Anadro is definitely a good floating line for many applications, that's what I thought after the first full season using it. Feel that way & even more so a's the second full season is winding down. I personally worked the Anadro very hard this Spring & it was just stellar. Not a Single issue. Casts really smoothly & easily. Running line doesn't tangle at all. Lays out like a rope at most distances. Easy to handle. Durable. Very good floating line for me from New England, NJ & on down to the Carolinas. Interesting to hear your feedback on them JRT & your experience with the Rio Coastal XP also. Two of my buddies are fishing the Rio''s this fall & both are telling me the same thing regarding the running line coiling. One is fishing it out of CT & the other at Harkers Island & up as far as NJ. We tried gently stretching them right before a big day fishing Gurglers, slender hard-body Myrex Poppers & Crease Fly Sliders chasing bird squalls Sunday , didn't help much. I was using an Airflo Coldwater Floating Line & was experiencing Nirvana & my buddy was cursing a lot. Received three reports from dealers that customers are saying the same thing. Based on pictures they sent me, some of these customers are using small arbor reels & had stored the line on the reel for weeks/months. I saw a couple of we'll used Coastal XP lines & they were wound on the reels very tightly, which is always tough on running line. JRT, do you have the Coastals on Small/Mid Arbor reels and or, how tightly are they wound? Do you feel the line is properly stretched & still coiling more than it should? The finer the diameter of a running line, the more of an issue potentially exists. Jacket hardness & Core will also influence Line Twist. Remember Braided Mono Running g Lines back in the 80's? .031 Diameter typically (relatively beefy) & horrendously bad memory. Still, we thought they were great back then. I'd be interested to also hear from other posters on the topic of running line coiling issues - General Thoughts & also - particular lines that don't coil much at all or- the reverse - lines like the Rio Coastal that coil badly even though they are properly stored, stretched & rinsed/cleaned. Also, how satisfied are we with line performance from all manufacturer we've used? Maybe Rate Each Manufacturer 0 -5 & touch on lines you like or lines you despise. Let's air it out, Winter is coming.
  8. Peanut Bunker Imitations are also a must in the Fall. They are easy to tie & I favor Crease Flies with Rattles and small High Ties. You'll also pick up fish with larger sub surface patterns, look for designs that have lifelike swimming action, contrast & don't foul easily. Try to match the size of whatever bait might be present.
  9. The pattern can be tied sparse & sise can be varied. The clear mono thread let's the Bill''s Body Braid show & the Blond pattern is modified to incorporate the principles of a High Tie. Really is a Lethal Finger Mullet. I'll often work a touch of fluorescent yellow into the fly, Bass seem to key on this. I'll do so subtly like this: Plus I like to carry a few where it's a bit more pronounced near the cheeks & it fades into the body imperceptibly. Lastly, big fan of Bubblegum also, great to have a few of these handy. Have to clearcoat the eyes still but take a look how that Bubblegum over Pearl really gives a necessity contrast. This one is tied on a 3/0 Circle Hook (Gamma SC15). That's all Bucktail with a touch of Angel Hair & some Mega Mushy in the middle.
  10. Much to consider here. Fly line manufacturers are and have been officially blatantly lying and completely throwing fly line standards out the window for quite some time now. Rod manufacturers have been doing the same thing for quite some time as well. ...and now, is if thing's aren't messed up enough, we now have an ocean of compound tapers to sift through and it seems like most of them cast great at certain distances and horrendous at other distances not to mention they load some rods well and other rides not well enough. WOW. I feel pity for the customer. And since we are all customers, I pity us all. Matching a fly rod to a fly line requires feel and you hit it on the head right there my friend. Once we either study a rod on a Load Board or we measure it with a Common Cents system, we should have a general idea of what we are looking for in terms of total castable grain weight. But that's not enough. We also have to consider the compound taper and try to make a selection based on the type of fishing we're going to be doing. Bottom line is many many fly fishermen are going to be disappointed and there will be countless attempts by customers to return fly lines at point of purchase - due to "Performance Not As Advertised" issues. The problems we have clearly identified and communicated in this thread have chronicled the issues that persist in the fly fishing industry. Fly rods are often not what they are advertised to be. Fly lines are frequently not what they are advertised to be. At this point we have only two predictive tools at our disposal to select a fly line and we really need both of them working together to make it as easy as possible to accomplish what used to be a simple matter of purchasing with confidence, like you would buy a loaf of bread or milk. Give it the old squeeze, check the expiration date, get the loaf with sesame seeds or without..etc. It's definitely a good idea to measure the rod and the line, and it's also beneficial to review the taper of the fly line and then attempt to make a predictive best guess/purchase. Then, you test cast the line, at various distances, with the rod you are lining. As you point out, there is just no substitute for feel as that is the final deciding factor that determines what is suitable and what isn't. Unfortunately, this is the best advice we can give our readers.
  11. Joe Brooks Blond inspired me to make an Electric Mullet pattern a couple decades ago and it's kind of been a real go to for me, which has also evolved a little bit over the years. Looks great in the water, really undulates & works really well. I will usually fish this on a Fast Sinking line or an Intermediate. This pattern features a little fluorescent yellow and is also sporting the grey dorsal color. I tie Herring patterns also with this type of tie. Also it gets away from the Deceiver type pattern so deliberately no saddle hackles are used. It features Bill's Body Braid on the Hook Shank and the Tail is Mega Mushy over Bucktail. The Body Wing utilizes Bucktail for a base and then a layer of angel hair another layer of Bucktail a little bit more angel hair and then the fluorescent yellow angel hair topped with grey SF fibers then gray Bucktail and then darker Grey Angel hair for the topping. The pattern can be varied in size & colors & it really clobbers Stripers. Here it is in Electric White.
  12. Scrambling to get a few more Peanut Bunker whipped up, took advantage of the nice rainy weather we had today.