Killiefish

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  1. HT that would be a great way to pay it forward! Could donate to kids just starting out or to your local chapter of Trout Unlimited or whatever your local equivalent is. Out West we have several groups that work on native trout and salmon conservation. Every year they have used gear auctions to raise money for ongoing conservation work. Each year they attract a few new members, some young some old, who are either just getting into (or back into) trout or salmon fishing and are short on gear. OTOH, certain older two piece rods actually hold their value quite well. There's an older graphite two-piece rod on the evil auction site right now with over 35 bids and a price pushing $400. Out West we have a fondness for certain older glass rods. Two piece rods for salmon and steelhead are actually gaining hipness factor and popularity among a certain new generation that spends too much on avocado toast. Single hand spey with very short head lines and an older more moderate action two piece rod can be a lot of fun and if it's the only outfit that fits your budget then that's fine, so be it.
  2. I'd be interested in your comparison between the two TFO rods. I also, on a whim, picked up the TFR in 8w. My only comparison with it from TFO is the TiCr (in 7wt, which is a powerful 7 more like an 8wt that seems a bit better uplined). The actions are very similar with the TiCr faster (bends in top third mainly, with the rest being quite stiff). Cosmetics on both are similar except for the extra ferrules/wraps and the cork - syncork on the TFR, real cork but lower quality on the TiCr, and the reel seat on the TFR rod is better - same seat as on the TFO Mangrove. Both rods seem to love an 8wt Sage Equator taper. In casting, the TiCr loads more off the tip. The tip stability in both is similar - slight initial wobble but dampens quickly. Guide spacing is quite different on the rods (first collector is further up the blank on the TFR) and the size of the first two collector guides on the TiCr is much larger. When I downline the TFR to a 7 weight forward line it performs almost exactly like the TiCr 7wt. It's a bit heavier than the 7wt TiCr but not by much. The overall feel of the TFR is smoother and the action is more moderate. By smoother, I mean that the rod gives better feedback throughout the full casting arc than the 4 piece TiCr, and is more stable when pushed hard. It's a very good rod IMO, and not expensive. My particular sample of this rod is an oddity...The TFR 8wt I own was in Lefty's personal collection, and it is an early prototype, with Lefty's signature, and a blank space for the rod name; not yet marked TFR (stands for Tough Fly Rod).
  3. I think Mike you are right. Two piece rods are going the way of the dodo. Not completely gone yet because there are still some great used two piece rods around, and at least TFO and Redington still sell some. Not sure they would hold a candle to the best quality two piece rods of yesterday - I am thinking Sage XP, Z axis, Loomis GLX etc. I've compared a few rods in 4 piece and 2 piece, and while the specific rods (brands, models) are not fully representative, I'd have to say that the results in my book (also summarizing from the above thoughts) would be: 4 piece rods: pro's: convenience for travel, shipping, storage; more easily available new cons: 4 piece rods can be a bit stiffer, especially in the top third, more ferrules to slip or fail, can be a bit heavier (extra ferrule wraps). Can also feel a bit more "dead" (mid- to lower end rods) because of the dampening effect of two extra ferrules/wraps. Not always noticeable in use because we adapt to them. 2 piece rods (compared to the same or very similar model in 4 piece): pro's: cheaper (often by a lot because of lower demand); lighter, a bit faster and (this will be controversial - better feel) for similar taper (though I admit it varies); aesthetics, fewer ferrules and fewer parts to fail; maybe a nod to nostalgia and tradition? Us old guys can brag about having still having one or two around that so-and-so gave us. cons: harder to transport, store; less available new, some cherished old ones are still expensive. Also as many are older rods, if they break there may not be parts or service available.
  4. This cracked me up! Thanks for the laugh !
  5. If I were a beginner just starting out and only fished my home waters, I think I'd go with 2 piece rods more, or even 1 piece rods. I think I can feel the difference between 2 and 4. And I bet, between 2 piece and 1 piece. The extra ferrule slipping thing is not the main issue for me. Overall feel and sensitivity is the issue...I was wondering if anyone else thinks that there's a difference, despite what the manufacturers say. TFO still sells blanks in two piece. The TFO "TFR" 8w and 10wt blanks are pretty nice for $79. The factory built TFR rods are somewhat heavy because of the composite cork. Matte black not too fancy. I believe this was the last rod blank designed by Lefty.
  6. So Sage seems to think it has to do with factors other than performance: i.e., demand, travel. Your experience though suggests that the 4 piece rod (in this case the Xi-2) actually performed better than the 2 piece. Interesting....albeit inconsistent information.
  7. TFO and Redington still make 2 piece rods. TFO Signature II 2 piece TFO TFR 2 piece (only made in 8w, 10w) Redington Crosswater II 2 piece Redington Path 2 piece But these are mostly low end rods (not more than $159 list). The Signature II and TFR are not bad rods, but nothing terribly special about them. Crosswater and Path are beginner rods. Douglas makes a rod in two piece - called the Lake River Stream (LRS). There may be a few others but not many. None of these except maybe the TFO TFR would begin to match older mid to high end two piece rods, IMO. The TFR feels to me like a beefier 2 piece version of the TiCr 4pc.
  8. Nice Assortment. I'd love to hear more about the "Kwan" fly.
  9. Currently made 2 piece fly rods are usually "starter" rods in company catalogs, if they are made at all. A claim is often made that modern technological advances mean no noticeable difference in performance between 4 piece rods and 2 piece. I am not always so sure. A friends older XP 4wt in 2 piece is still one of the sweetest rods I've cast. A Redington RS-4 two piece I still own is way better than the 4 piece model that I sold. Also it was cheaper. Are there other advantages to 2 piece rods (besides generally lower cost)? If so, what are they?
  10. That's exactly it. Supposedly the earlier Atoll rods (and certain other pre-BPS rods) had a lifetime limited warranty. Usually the older Cabelas interpreted the warranty liberally. With the older TLRs you were getting a good serviceable rod for around $120 or less so some corners were definitely cut. My solution is to fill the gaps with a mixture of medium light colored plastic wood and a small amt of fine ground dark coffee (to match the tint). If that won't work, or the hole is large plug the gap with a piece of cork cut from a regular bottle cork. Wynn grip wraps are another solution. Here is a photo of the 3M sticker on the older Atoll rods, and an example of the older Atoll 8w (3M sticker is missing on the newer rods I think)
  11. Here are a couple of other rods that are using the newer composite cork and synthetic materials -- not an endorsement from me necessarily as I still prefer real cork. TFO and Loop seem to be using these materials on more and more of their rods.
  12. That's a wicked bend in that rod. If it ever broke I would want to be wearing Kevlar and safety glasses.
  13. Just messing with you. My 12 weight rods don't even have the extra front grip or if they do it's cork so I can still easily cast the damn thing. With the very thought of a blue marlin at the other end of the line, any aesthetic consideration goes out the window.
  14. Mr. Oliver, Not sure why you'd say that other than the rod is like a fence post, has tons of EVA foam and a graphite reel seat ... Not your cup of tea I'd wager... I don't own that rod, but my main point was there are some really crazy overbuilt 12wts. Look up Cam Sigler bluewater rods. I think they went up to 16wt but the 12wt looks quite a bit like the above rod. --Killie
  15. Gotta add that the new Atoll rod has different specs than the older one, which Cabelas said had nano resin tech, and in photos used to sport a 3M sticker. The newer rod looks like an updated TLR salt, or something else from BP's new source? No 3M sticker? They are claiming a different technology - GIII - three kinds of graphite? I'd be very very wary until I found out what GIII is or means. The top review of the Atoll rod shows a photo of a guy with the older model Atoll and a N. pike. That version of the rod is no longer made. Only one other review and it isn't clear it is for the newer made rod. Like I said, caveat emptor with this new corporate entity that seems to be a bit deceptive to me. They need to replace that top review with a review of the actual rod being sold. The older TLR series and TLR salt series are no more - kaput. Nice rods and they were cheap, like $119 for the TLR salt on closeout. The TLR switch rods were awesome. Done gone. I wonder if BP takeover voids the license to use the nano stuff from 3M. I'd ask Qs.