Peter Patricelli

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  1. In years past I fished tube flies extensively for dorado in Baja. They worked great and we noted that when the fish took off on a long run the tube-fly would slide up the leader and get it out of the fishes mouth.....reducing the tooth gnawing wearing out the fly. Then we noted that other fish, attracted to the convulsions of the hooked fish, would attack the tube fly that was now in mid-leader. That became a problem if the second dorado was much bigger than the hooked one. Then the tooty critters showed up.....attacking the loose, mid-leader fly. I have caught a few stripers on them, using up old stuff in my fly box. If one could guarantee that the blues won't get involved..........
  2. Mike, I'm too dense to know what "Pā€”ā€”ā€”-s" is. Maybe some esoteric british idiom us Yanks don't get. Maybe some proper english word that escapes my imagination. We are, after all, "divided by a common language". Soo......knowing you, I am just going to assume it is properly insulting and await my next chance for payback. Hope you are doing well. I enjoyed Ant to the utmost....and sent him a big panorama of our day with a guide. Hope to see him again.
  3. I just met a 2nd grand-nephew (or something like that. He is the grandson of my cousin, great grandson of my favorite uncle) who just graduated from the University of Washington. Family members have been trying to get us together since he is crazy for fishing. What is going to be espicially fun? He finished U of W as NCAA all-american first team in the......javelin throw! Has never fly fished, wants to learn. He says his throwing coach would tell him the throwing motion "was just like casting a fly rod"......which he couldn't relate to at the time. Stay tuned!
  4. One reality of the heavyweights is that, even with good technique, it still takes more muscle to throw a heavier weight 80' than a lighter weight. It takes technique AND muscle. And, 100% of us will experience muscle and strength loss with advancing age......(unless one starts and MAINTAINS a constant weight program......which 99.99% of us will fail to MAINTAIN indefinitely). Overall I would say that I have 20-30% less arm strength than 15-20 years ago. At the end of 2 weeks on the Cape it is feeling significantly better.. But, it all ain't ever coming back. In my conditioning practice, I stick with the 12 wt for 20-30 minutes of cast and retrieve. But the idea there is GRADUAL conditioning and avoiding stress injuries and inflammation, so I trade down again. But overall, I can consistently throw the 8 wt further than the 10, and the 10 further than the 12. Which partly explains the wimp parade () to TH rods. And then, there are others of us beasts that are just plain stronger or arm, at any age. But, they will lose something too in time. It would be interesting to average the ages of those who experience little or no problem (yet) and those that notice that those big rods really DO feel heavy...
  5. Mine (several.....2 or 3) get used occasionally in actual fishing. Much MORE commonly I use them as part of my conditioning process as I re-strengthen my arm (wrist, shoulder, and elbow) from winter doldrums in preparation for my Miami month and then Cape Cod. I cast in sequence an 8 wt, 10 wt, and then 12 wt. at target circles roughly 50, 70, and 90'. In between I harass unsuspecting waterfowl (this is a city park, people feed the ducks and geese) at random ranges....moving target, with my leather strip "flies". Bonking one harmlessly at 50-80' is a hoot. Sometimes in my 40 minute workout I might get as many as 4 direct bingo-duck-hits. After the 12, the 8 feels like a 4. Mostly the rest of the year they help me dream about pelagics. But remember, I DON'T pay big bucks. My most commonly used conditioner is a Cabelas Three Forks.....$ excellent guarantee. Dreaming is cheap!
  6. You have only one point on your blackboard, too early to draw any meaningful conclusions. But.... On a swinging fly not much you can do differently. Overall the swinging fly hookset is probably the most obvious and foolproof. Beginners get it right often enough with neither experience or instruction. The fish are generally chasing the fly from below/behind and catching up, may take short, and the pull is straight out of their open mouths. The good and bad news is your line is mostly straight without slack so you feel the strike instantly and potential hook penetration is immediate. There are pluses and minuses to both those facts. Steelheaders argue interminably about whether an absolutely passive reaction, do nothing other than wait for the full pressure and reaction of the fish.....versus striking at the first hint of best. People swear by whichever technique they use, which is probably NOT what they did on their first big fish if it was dropped early in the fight. I can say that for fish likely to continue moving upstream after the take....think migrating steelhead among others, NOT inclined to return to a distinct holding holding lie, there is no "take" with pressure. One only feels a subtle limpness and lessening of natural line drag. One MUST do something. I know several fabulously successful master steelheaders who have that figured out with zen efficiency. But they have a hard time explaining exactly what they do and it is NOT a sudden vicious hookset at the first hint of pressure......nor a passive waiting. Still working on THAT one. You CAN play with fly AND hook size and length or have a small stinger hook to deal with short strikes. You COULD consider the old english greased line tactic of feeding line and mending DOWNSTREAM immediately after the take to give the fish time to turn sideways so that the upstream pull when you finally come tight is perpendicular to the fish's head and the fly catches in the corner of the mouth. Dunno about that, never been able to pull it off myself. A very sharp hook point is a given. For me, barbless hooks always mean more lost fish. Because of the approach of the fish, leader shyness is not an issue so one can gear up for a stronger hook set.....IF......that really matters. It would if the hook is heavy wire with a big barb which take a LOT of pressure to penetrate. With light wire, super sharp, micro or no barb that hook will set even in bone with minimal pressure. Sooo.......what is your pleasure? NOTHING works perfectly ALL the time. You tried it once, hooked and dropped a big fish. It happens to some degree with ALL hooks, styles, presentations, fish, etc., etc. I CAN tell you one thing with absolute certainty. If you strike early and hard and the fish immediately pulls should have waited. If you wait and don't set and the fish should have set early and hard. See, this fishing thing is easy and obvious!
  7. The tide is only one.....altho a very important one.....of the variables. The others are light intensity, wind, current.....which might be tide dependent but also can be wind dependent, .....and then the specifics of the spot. And, every spot or area is different. Moving water is generally good, but I have had fabulous opportunities on dead slack. Like-wise a full flood is a great time to sight fish flats. Lots of fish move in on the flood to feed in ponds and estuaries.....but the area becomes vast and the fish are diluted. At dead low the area is minimized and the fish are concentrated. The challenge becomes FINDING them........and then getting them to bite. So.....we have incoming spots and outgoing spots, low tide spots and high tide spots. We choose depending on when we want to fish and which wind direction allows casting at that location. Our very best guide, been using him for 24 years now, fishes the exact same time schedule every day. With the day-to-day procession of tide hours....that means he has high tide spots, low tide spots, mid-flood spots, and mid-outgoing spots......and plugs in with whatever the tide is when he starts the day. One thing about stripers.....very hard to talk generalities, and impossible to talk about rules and certainties. Put your time in on the water, keep your fly in the water, use your brain and observation skills.....and have fun. It is an education without a final exam.
  8. Been going there for years and gave up trying to find flyfishing. Here is my take. The peacock reservoir fishing is private, must get guide or otherwise pay for access. The trout fishing is stocked fish in very small, heavily overgrown mini-creeks where actually casting as opposed to dapping would be more rare than any fish that might be there. Perhaps that is common and appreciated by some NE trouters, but not my cup of tea. Also, at that altitude on the rainiest mountain on earth with an almost permanent summit raincloud it is generally an overgrown mud-sliding contest. For the same reason the larger, lower altitude waters are muddy and by color off-putting 99% of the time.....even if there IS something in them. The North shore flat that sometimes is (reportedly) visited by a bone......didn't see a thing the two times I waded it. I have watched bait fishermen catch bones on the south shore. They are there, but no sight fishing. Blind casting for bones might be a lot like french kissing your sister. Never done it. The trevally are there, both giants and blue-finned, but since most of the population is asian descent there is a LOT of fishing pressure (and SPEAR-fishing pressure) and anything of any size is kept and consumed. The "Papio" are most commonly caught but they are really very small juvenile blue-finned and/or Giants. The fish populations ARE territorial and there are protected zones. Snorkel and you really see and appreciate the difference. Might try fishing right on the border for wanderers. You might catch some reef-fish, triggers, goats, etc......but smallish. Entertaining and interesting for awhile, but you'll do better with a throw net. MUCH better bones opportunities on Oahu. Altho I do know people who actually fly-caught fish from an offshore charter, the one time I tried it was, after a LOT of reassurances, a completely fraudulent rip-off. That was on the big island. The fly vulnerable fish are seasonal....and not necessarily when most tourists want to show up. I love Hawaii in general and Kauai specifically....but, except for Oahu, I gave up bringing gear long ago.
  9. Sorry, forgot to include the dates. Steve and I arriving late Sat, June 1. 4 more arrive Wed, June 5th. The rest arrive Sat and Sun, June 8 and 9. Sunday dinner the 9th is the big one, but dinner for sure every night. We fish, in various lesser concentrations, more or less all over the world as in FL, the Caribbean, Mx, Baja, Canada, Cuba, Patagonia, S Pacific and AK well as locally in OR and the NW. But this is, by unanimous proclamation the most fun and dependable trip of the year. Serious, life-long fly fishermen mostly, but astute enough to know how to NOT muck up the fun with tunnel vision or competitiveness. Given the occasional schedule conflict among the regulars, I have no trouble filling the spot.
  10. I got one, the only one I have ever used, as part of the rod, reel, line, leaders, flies, flybox and casting instruction booklet for $ years ago. Never met one that had a decent drag that would stand up to a serious fish. But then, who, getting a beginners outfit and in fresh water, is going to catch a fish that actually takes drag, on day one? On the other hand, they were, in my mind, designed for people dapping with the fly rod, with mono as often as actual fly line, and everyone I ever knew who used one complained that the spring rewind was INsufficient to actually drag a fish in!! The "point" of the automatic feature was to quickly gobble up slack line. Not to be a power winch. UNfortunately the slack tends to come in unruly with tangles, not cleanly, so there are often tangles when stripping it out The maximum usefullness for me was when fishing from shore on a lake or a stream, moving along the shoreline. Strip out line, cast once or twice, ZIP up the slack so it wouldn't catch on grass/rocks/stickers/poison oak, walk and stalk, strip out fly line, cast once or twice, ZIP up the slack so it wouldn't catch....and so forth. For THAT it was great. But take solace. The GOOD news is that, with an automatic reel on your rod, you will never be mistaken for a serious fly fisherman of any substance......and you will be free to enjoy yourself to your limits, with absolutely NO external expectations. Nirvana!
  11. "Your leader butt section cannot be stiffer than your fly line. If it is, then your line tip section will collapse. Too soft, and the leader will not turn the fly over. Take the end of your fly line and lay various sizes of leader next to it. Flex them together to find the butt size that efficiently matches the flex of the line. That is your butt section size." This is the "common wisdom".....and one which I believed for a long time. And, as long as I didn't use heavier than 40# seemed to have validity. However, take note of Steve Schullery's post above. My experience with the disastrous 80# butt of Seaguar.....which seemed approximately stiff to the end of my flyline. me thinking again. It SHOULD have worked, according to the above test.....but it most definitely DIDN"T. On re-thinking and analyzing, I think the physics of loop propagation through the end of the flyline is dependent on many more variables of which can include the (variable) wind resistant drag....or lack of.... of the fly. For example, the stiffness of the end the fly line is only one property, while much greater mass (than leader butt) is another. Given the acceleration-deceleration of mass of the line passing through the loop, there is not much reason to think that the relatively mass-less leader is going to act similarly to the configration of the mass-rich fly line, even though stiffness is equal. Because the problems of tailing loop and leader collapse are more determined by casting stroke errors, leader/tippet length, and wind resistance/weight of the is NOT clear to me that overall leader butt stiffness is a serious positive controlling factor. What IS clear to me is that leader strengths 40# and below to 20# for a butt or even straight level operate for the most part, in saltwater fly fishing, quite acceptably and with simplicity to almost everyone's satisfaction, while no one is necessarily specifying stiff or supple And, heavier AND stiff....does not. Heavier and SUPPLE I have not tried yet. Trying to get the perfect thistle-down turnover and landing of a #14 dry just not a positive commodity in saltwater. KISS?? Again, read Steve Schullery's post
  12. This year will be the 23rd year for my group , which used to be 14 fishermen but has been reduced to 12 to simplify housing, guides, and general sorting out, coming to the Cape for a combination of DIY shore fishing and 5 days with guides. We consist of 7 from Oregon, 2 from Minnesota, 1 from Michigan (SOL-er Steve Schullery), and 2 locals from the Cape and Boston. We utilize an assortment of guides that generally cover the Cape from both north and south shores and a diverse experience from pure flats sight fishing to blue water, rips to bays. The guys alternate guides and fishing partners each day for the most diverse experience. Aside from the relationships built over the years with guides, a number of which we used until retirement, we have also built friendships with locals, SOL members, and even the peripatetic Limey group, altho we do NOT embrace their 24/7/night fishing approach as uncivilized and un-befitting true gentlemen. And we STILL get our fish. Anyway, we have always had a pretty loose and open, policy regarding dinner, which allows for the most pleasant sharing of fishing experiences. Many SOL-ers who are on Cape and actively fishing have joined us to share breaking bread. Anyone from SOL wishing to join us on any given evening should contact me through SOL for my phone number (or through Our biggest dinner evening is Sunday the 9th when our group is at full strength in preparation for the start of the guide-week. This works best if people BYOB and basic fixins' to complement the food we will have prepared. And yes, every few days there may be a bass to celebrate. Our rental houses are in Brewster, within a mile of Sesuit Harbor.
  13. There is no single answer to your question. Individual fish are, well, individuals that have various biological differences from their brothers and cousins. The correct answer would involve concepts that are used in drug toxicity, whereby a drug dose (or concentration) is tested on a number of test subjects (NOT people). Some succumb at a lower dose, others not until a higher dose. The results are generally reported as LD50.....the dose or concentration that results in death of 50% of the individuals, and LD100, the dose/concentration that is lethal to ALL subjects. One could choose whatever % they want for reporting, such as LD20 (20% die) if that suits one's purpose So, for example, at a temp of 80 degrees, some fish might die, but not all. At 85, all might die. This is similar to the first step in evolution, survival of uniquely suited individuals in a challenging environmental situation, which then breed with each other and concentrate the genes for those survival-in-that-environmental -situation. There are a number of trout besides browns that have evolved to tolerate warmer, US western desert temperatures. Most are strains of cutthroat, such as the Lahontan, Redbands, and 6-8 other less common. I know in the Deschutes River in Oregon the summer temps hit 75. Though most people think of them as Rainbows, in truth the resident trout and the migratory (steelhead) component of those are actually Redband. Though not lethal the fish are stressed and yes, a "sporting" fight may well be lethal. Another factor is the reality that in most streams there may be small tributaries or underwater springs here or there which silently feed in a flow of cooler, spring water which can then, being more dense, create a cooler layer downstream for a variable distance. The only clue might be a concentration of fish persistently in a certain place....when the stream as a whole warms. The only way to know would be with a thermometer and a lot of sleuthing work. BUT, allowing for a few hardy holdovers that might be lucky enough to find some spring flow somewhere.....but would succumb after being caught.....would hardly qualify as a "fishery". And, if he puts fish in "his" special pool, if stressed those fish are going to move, usually upstream, in a desperate, last ditch attempt to find cooler water. The OP fails to tell us a specific temperature range that river reaches most summers, altho he does mention 85 degrees. I know of NO rivers or streams that have viable populations of browns that reach that temp regularly. Some rare cutthroat strains might survive that.....but getting some would be a challenge and actually planting them would be both unethical and highly illegal. And, I know of NO state in which moving live wild fish from river to river or planting hatchery fish in anything other than a self-contained private lake would be illegal......and unethical. In Oregon I can immediately point to previously fabulous fisheries either ruined or struggling with the effects of untrained and selfish "bucket biologists" who threw in THEIR favorite fish, such as Davis Lake trophy trout fishery (LMB) and the previouswly billion dollar but now struggling salmon and steelhead fisheries on the Columbia-Snake river system (SMB and Walleye). Around here, if you are caught with a live fish in a bucket leaving a river or lake you are going to get the book thrown at you. Leave it to the professionals.....or mother nature.
  14. In our 22 years of coming in June for two weeks, fishing up to 12 guys, both in a boat with guides and from shore locally, we have caught exactly 2 fish. Not "targeting" them mind you, but while searching from shorer and sometimes hammering schoolies and better. Both were in Pleasant Bay. But my point is.....unless there is some great secret......not a lot of them around these parts. Wish it were otherwise.
  15. S.K.S. wrote...... "The hooks do not make contact with any part of the fish until we set the hook or the fish turns it head to swim away. It is when either of these happen that the hook then pierces the fish." I disagree. After the suck in, involving a lot of water AND the prey/fly, the striper expels the water out its gills and crushes the prey/fly. Especially true for prey that has erectile defensive spines which makes the actual swallowing a head-first-mandatory affair. That is often the reason for the short tail-bite or sideways attack. Then it is just like holding onto a small bass or even bluegill in your hand. You must smooth or move to flatten the spines and then hold on tightly! I also presume that the frequency of those defensive spines on prey species is a reason fish will often hold and tolerate the prickly HOOK for awhile....trying to settle it like spines. But even that is not necessarily "when either of these (hook set....depending....but turn head definitely not) happen that the hook then pierces the fish." The hook does not "pierce" the fish until the fly MOVES. The fly MUST MOVE for the hook to "set". If the fisherman's strike or resistance to the fish's turning is sufficient to MOVE the fly......then yes, the hook can/will set. I can hold a fly in the palm of my hand and you can try and "set the hook" all you want but I have ZERO chance of getting hooked until I release enough pressure that allows the fly to MOVE. If the fish is holding/crushing the fly, then that must be overcome by the force of the hook-set or resistance to the fish's movement. It is perhaps easier to do this when the fish turns, or increases the chances that. if the fish does not release the fly until after it has turned that the loose fly will catch on the lip making the run. But, the turning is not THE issue, only may facilitate THE issue. A small bit of hair-splitting but IMO an important one. I have broken off floating flies, such as a popper, on really vigorous hood-sets......only to have the fish then spit out the fly, completely UN-set, as it swims away. The fly or popper appears on the surface and I realize what happened. The bigger the striper, the tougher the mouth and jaw structures and bone.....and also the harder they can hold onto the fly without movement. Setting the hook takes either luck at whether the hook strikes anything as the fish spits it out.....(and yes, a turned head increases those chances).....or....a jaw and fly wrenching hook-set AND continuous pressure for the first 4-5 seconds until you are sure that initial holding and crushing of the fly is over. My experience and the coaching of guides has taught me that with big stripers, the time to test the limits of your tippet is those first 5 seconds, with the rod low to minimize the cushion effect of rod bend.....and DON"t start raising the rod and clearing loose line until well past that initial stage and you are sure you have a solid hookup. Use a "heavy enough" leader...use that strength....and hold onto that force for longer than a second or two. Not true of all fish, but definitely for stripers.