I'm a nearly beaten man. I'm trying to tie my own fish finder & HL rigs and can't seem to get a handle of working with 50+ lb flouro. For those of you who tie your own stuff what kind of advice can you give. I'm know my knots and that isn't the issue. Getting a 50 lb Palomar to tighten is enough to make me crazy. What's the trick to getting these knots with heavy line tight? Thanks for any help.