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  1. View Postif you have such an issue about churches freely electing non-profit status, I'd suggest you go to your church elders and recommend that they look to revoke their non-profit status.

     

    Why not "go to the government" instead, and see these ills rectified, with the ballot in November? The power of the government is much greater than the churches, but the power of the governed is much greater than the government...

  2. View Posthow is what i'm talking about non-christian or or liberal? it's the law in black and white. you apply to be a non-profit or you don't. it's the organization's choice to do so- some some liberal conspiracy.

     

    also, if a church is non-profit, it is exempt from paying taxes on its property and the offerings it receives.

     

    The question was asked about what has the Democratic done....Would you deny the democratic party is liberal? The point is, is that "liberal" laws, or "unChristian" laws have been enacted to put Christian churches in a category of not being taxed because they are "non-profit". That is not what a church is. A church was originally exempt from laws concerning taxation, because they were churches....not because they were "tax-exempt". It's the liberal point of view to categorize them as being "under the law"...

  3. View Postbecause they choose to apply for non-profit status and get all the tax advantages that non-profits have. you don't just get non-profit status magically for being a church.

     

    You miss the point entirely.... Why should the government ever have had to institute such a policy (law) in the first place? Churches are churches, they have no need to be taxed. They are propagating morals not money! But now, you and other liberals, (unChristians) are content to see them as grouped as "non-profit" organizations................haw!

  4. View Postthe laws regarding churches and taxation are not anti-christian as they apply to all non-profits.

     

    churches are free to go for-profit if they feel the need to politicize themselves.

     

    Why should they have to? Why should they be "included" in laws pertaining to "non-profit" organizations? They are churches, not dealing in sales, but in moral matters that are no concern of the state except in the fact that the state has decided that they need to be "regulated"....

  5. View PostI'm not a Democrat, but rather an objective observer. I don't see any issues as being anti-Christian. As a Christina, perhaps you could help me out and point out some anti-Christian policies. I'm all ears...er, eyes. Telling me that I don't understand is not a valid argument.

     

    It looks like Robert has just done the job for me...But aside from government taking away the individual responsibility and benefits of personal charity, the rights of individual worship in and around school systems, the "entitlement" of homosexual rights, and the tax laws that need churches to steer clear of political favoritism, there are many more that I'm sure I could remember given enough time....But, all in all, Christians have a pretty good like here, at the moment, given that at one time they were fed to the lions...

  6. View PostTo be fair, if I wanted to suspend logic and embrace faith, I'd choose a cooler story. Like Scientology. They went for broke with their historical and creation background.

     

    Nevertheless, I fully understand the faith angle, and, even still, faith does not illustrate anti-Christian policy.

     

    You're probably a pretty good example of what it is in the Democratic party that does not understand what it means when they enact legislation that conflicts with Christian principles....nothing they would claim that is really anti-Christian, because they wouldn't want to offend their constituents, but by the same token, they really don't know Christ enough to determine that in the first place....After all, they claim, quite correctly, there is enough controversy and difference in "Christian" faiths, and churches, to merit some discussion..

  7. View PostYou're not helping the case. The "you don't understand" angle does nothing to sway the argument. I've read the Bible, I've been well exposed to Christianity, and I don't feel that faith is a prerequisite to understanding. While I am not a believer. I am an understander.wink.gif

     

    It's like any other way of understanding, if you don't want to believe the truth, you will find many other ways of "interpreting" it! Reading the Bible without having the "Spirit of Truth" to explain it to you, will never make it understandable....Don't you think the Devil has his way of making truth an illusion? Oh, that's right, you don't believe in the "Devil".....

  8. View Postbeing raised Christian means nothing? I would argue the church would disagree with that along with every parent that has raised their children to learn the teachings of Christianity-secondly I put that so people know I was born and raised Catholic and still am one and a practicing one at that so you are clueless there.

     

    Christ taught that people aka society should help take care of those that cant take care of themselves which is exactly what the goal of many social programs are. If you disagree with that we can agree to disagree but I am comfortable in my thinking that the church thinks social programs are a good thing as well as helping those that cant help themselves. The church itself or many of them do ask for a 10% thithing. I served in the peace corp and went on missions as well to third wold countries with the church and volunteered at ST Judes so don't you dare question my belief system or actions.

     

    I'm pretty sure that Knight meant that being raised a Christian does not make you a Christian...(there is a large gap in understanding and accepting fellowship with God's only begotten Son, and in seeing how people go about their worship, and carry on their lives as "Christian"...) I am glad that you have expressed your commitment to others as that is the second commandment....but of course, there is a "first" commandment that takes presidence....and personal fellowship with Christ is the true meaning of a "Christian", not just showing and proving that to others....

  9. View PostI don't see how these issues are anti-Christian.

     

    By your own admission, you do not admit to being a Christian. If this is true, then by definition, you do not understand what it means to be a Christian, because you are not one. You can only understand what it means on a rational and empirical basis. This is not the understanding of what Christ gives, which is on a spiritual level you are not aware of, because you cannot see. As the song goes, "I once was blind, but now I see"....I think that this is the same factor that goes into the lack of understanding of what is "Christian" and what is not.....

  10. This is not going to go over well....

    Feds to 60 Million American Anglers: We don't need you IRVINE, Calif. USA, October 5, 2009, A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Interagency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters. Under the guise of 'protecting' these areas, the current second phase of the Task Force direction is to develop zoning which may permanently close vast areas of fishing waters nationwide. This is to be completed by December 9, 2009.

     

     

    Dave Pfeiffer, President of Shimano American Corporation explained, "In spite of extensive submissions from the recreational fishing community to the Task Force in person and in writing, they failed to include any mention of the over one million jobs or the 6o million anglers which may be affected by the new policies coast to coast. Input from the environmental groups who want to put us off the water was adopted into the report verbatim, the key points we submitted as an industry were ignored."

     

    Recreational fishing generates a $125 billion annual economy in the United States and supports jobs in every state according to government figures. Through the Sport Fish Restoration program, anglers have provided more than $5 billion through excise taxes on fishing tackle to fishery conservation and education for decades.

     

    In addition to the economic aspects, anglers lead the nation in volunteer conservation efforts on behalf of improving fish habitat, water quality and related environmental areas. "There was no mention of the fishery conservation efforts which anglers have led for over 50 years in every state, an environmental success story that has no equal in the world", said Phil Morlock, Director, Environmental Affairs for Shimano. "The Task Force did not make any distinction between the dramatic differences between harmful commercial fishing harvest methods and recreational fishing, even though we spelled it out for them in detail," added Morlock.

     

    Claiming to be the result of a public consultation process the report states, "Having considered a broad range of public comments, this report reflects the requests and concerns of all interested parties."

     

    The original White House memo and not surprisingly the Task Force report contains multiple references to developing a national policy where Great Lakes and coastal regions are managed, "consistent with international law, including customary international law as reflected in the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea" - a 300-page treaty the U.S. has never ratified.

     

    "We question what implications there will be for state authority and jurisdiction in the Great Lakes and coastal regions if the U.S. adopts the U.N. Treaty," said Pfeiffer.

     

    The report makes it clear that future authority for implementing the policy for coastal and inland waters will fall under White House jurisdiction with a new National Ocean Council comprised of over 20 federal agencies at Cabinet Secretary or Deputy Secretary level. No reference to Congressional jurisdiction is indicated.

     

    "This significant change in U.S. policy direction is the result of a 90-day fire drill process as ordered by the President that, not surprisingly, lacks balance, clarity and quality in the end product," said Morlock. "People who simply want to take their kids fishing on public waters deserve better from their government," he added.

     

    Shimano is joining with other members of the recreational fishing industry to urge anglers to contact their members of Congress and the administration to request this process be required to adopt the economic, conservation and social contributions of recreational fishing as key elements of the policy. It is critical that we ensure Congressional oversight and state jurisdiction and management continues.

     

    E-letters can be sent to the administration and members of Congress by visiting KeepAmericaFishing.org. The future of fishing is in your hands.

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    Editor's Note: Phil Morlock is attending Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus functions this week in Washington, DC, but will make himself available for questions, interviews on this. Contact John Mazurkiewicz with Catalyst Marketing for arrangements.

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    Can't wait to see how many pricks get to show their TRUE colors on this thread as well... shakehead.gifshakehead.gifshakehead.gif

     

    My "True colors" are not appreciating someone yelling at me, selling whatever they are selling, could be based on thought, not imitations of their parents toward a child that doesn't listen...Maybe the pricks are stinging your sensibilities.....

  12. View PostThis sucks. Now we'll have a "Glad Billy Mays is Dead Thread".

    He may have been the most annoying, irritting, obnoxious fellow that ever did a sales pitch but I'm not glad he's dead.

    RIP, Billy.

     

    I can't say I'm glad he's dead, but I'm glad I don't have to see anymore of him on the commercials....correction: I'm glad I don't have to HEAR him any more on the commercials.....

  13. View PostWhat with an audulterous Governor in the news, this didn't get much play this week. If you recall, Ms. Hassledreck was a member of the Palin entourage last fall. She sure is a purty little thing though.

     

    Her clear-eyed thinking and unclouded mind are a far cry from the Rosy O'D's of the world.....maybe she thought that some of the material could be used to help someone, even at the expense of repeating it... After all, is the court case over? Thought you were not in favor of convicting someone before they were tried....Maybe the guy copied it himself...(there are plenty of reference journals available online..)

    Me, I think that some beauty comes from within....and actually effects the beauty we see. (She is fine...)

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