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According to Natives I've spoken to (I'm an EthnoBotanist), Alaska Yellow Cedar is supposed to make a person mean tempered and eventually insane. They never cooked or built with it. Only used for tools. I do know if you sit around a yellow cedar fire, everyone including the dogs will wake up sneezing. Nice info on Red Cedar -- my thanks ! I nearly bathe in the stuff, and have hoped I would not develop sensitities as I have heard. The Natives called Red Cedar "the long life maker". Guess that keeps my hopes up. All I know is... Even though I live in a Rainforest I don't have so much as an ant in my house or a flea on my dog. Nice. Any way someone could replicate that cool research for AYC ? It's not even the same family of trees. AYC is a Cypress, not a Cedar. N
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AYC is wicked at repelling insects, mold/fungus and bacteria. It's got a direct burial rating that meets or exceeds pressure treated lumber. It's being gobbled up in steamy Asia because it repels everything, including a very tough termite. The leaves contain extremely high levels of Thujone, the active ingredient in Absinthe, the banned liquor. Thujone is a hallucinogenic drug that is physically addictive -- and n illegal. Local Natives think it makes you aggressive and insane, they won't build houses with it. Wouldn't a reasonable person suspect the dust ? I certainly do when it repels ants. Try it....
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Was hoping you folks would share what dimensions and lengths you commonly use when building lures. Is there different size requirements for lures that typically use Alaska Yellow Cedar ? How about lures made with Red Cedar ? What are the best lengths that prevent waste ? Are you folks used to cutting out a few knots or imperfect grain in your purchases ? Are your requirements very specific for grain straightness ? Do any of you purchase in a unit sizes, say four inch -- or do all your purchases typically come in longer units that you cut as used ? How much is the going rate for the AYC and Red Cedar products you purchase ? I'm trying very carefully to respect the owners of the forum, and to not to break any more rules here, but I would love to know these things so I can better serve your community. In a spirited sense of cooperation, if any of you would like information on Alaska sourced AYC or Red Cedar please ask, I deal with the stuff every single day. The toxicity issues with AYC are possibly very significant, and I hope to bring my experience and cautions to your community. Nicole
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Now after embarrassing myself I hope to get through Tim's email filter so I can do just that ! Sorry guys, followed a link, missed the prohibitions and made a mess of things. Won't happen again. N
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Honestly, I am trying to offer my knowledge in context of being a mill operator in the hopes of reaching my posting requirement for the buy/sell thread. I provide a service that seems unmet in this forum, and in the process will share what I know. Sorry if I broke a rule, I am doing my best to submit real content. I am a supplier, and that is just going to show through... since I am not a lure turner. Please view my thread on AYC safety issues, perhaps that will show my concern for you folks. Nicole
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Hello Folks, New poster here, and new to the turning world, but I am a supplier of Alaska sourced AYC to the turning market. I haven't seen any mention of the toxicity for the wood dusts, and must chime in on my significant experience handling this wood in bulk. We all know it resists rot, but it actually has a direct burial rating that exceeds pressure treated lumber ! I use the dust to repel ants, and burning the wood actually repels bugs. I have a 'magic wand' product that is engineered to long smolder the wood for insect repellency, and it even works on flies ! The Alaska Natives considered Red Cedar the 'long life maker' but Yellow Cedar was feared to drive you insane ! I mill this stuff wearing the same organic vapor cartridge I use to fiberglass my boat. Be careful with the stuff, there is good science to confirm my fears. If you need more information on the wood or its safety issues, just ask. Nicole
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Hello, New poster here, Our trees grow so slowly the grain often exceeds 60 years to the inch, 700 to 1000 years old. This makes the grain outrageously straight and uniform, as does the nature of the species generally. If you folks are looking for good swimmers with repeatability, I would suggest you look into AYC from Alaska. Nicole **edited - the solicitous portion of this message was edited as per the posting following posting guidelines: "3. No solicitation in the forums or via Private Messages. We encourage contribution to this community and very much discourage solicitation and self promotion." You can read the Guidelines and Help section for more information. And your Private Message ability was removed for soliciting business via PMs -- good rule of thumb, if the title of your PM is something like "Don't consider this spam", then there's a real good chance that it is spam and is not welcome here. If you would like to contribute here, we would love to have you - but we do ask that you respect our posting guidelines. Thanks - TimS
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Hello ! New here, so please understand I am a wood person and not a lure turner, however I very much understand AYC. Cutting turning lures on my band saw is a specialty niche for me. AYC sourced from Alaska will have MUCH finer grain than anything from southern US, often 60 years to the inch and nearly perfectly straight. Alaska AYC is often 700 to 1000 years old. Fabulous that outer four inches !! It is also denser than Port Orford, and smells much worse ! This is especially true if you use air dried instead of kiln dried. Air dried retains the volatile oils lost to kilning, and is considered superior to those of us who use it for construction. Very likely this would be better for lures. Hope this helps. Nicole
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Hello, the greenish color of the rot and location suggests early stages of brown ring rot. The grain says it is almost certainly not from Alaska, far too rapid of growth. Probably US sourced 'Alaska' Yellow Cedar, likely west coast USA. Ours goes about 60 years to the inch grain. I sell this stuff for a living, so it's very familiar. Your nose will tell you the truth, although the stink is very much less prounounced with kiln dried wood. Air dried has a far more intense smell, and better for preservative aspects and split resistance. I just made a listing in the buy sell forum if you are interested in more info. Hope this helps. Nikki