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 Part two of spinning deer hair
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10x10 Forum Leader Ken Schwam 1956-2002 Rest in peace Kenny, you will live here forever through your words.... |
posted 01-02-2002 04:21 PM
    
Sorry about that can only get so many pictures on one post.So where was I? ..Ah yes continue to fill the hook with hair   Here's how I pack the hair. Take about ten or so turns of thread directly in front of the last application of hair like this;  Simply shove it back with your fingertips. Use your left hand on the hook bend to give you something to push against. Note how much bare hook shank is now showing as compared to the last picture.  By using the thread itself as the packing tool you can not tear the hair loose since you are no longer pushing the hair it self.The thread will slide back until there is no place left to go, essentially making the hair packed as tight as it possibly can be made as the wraps holding it in place are being compressed by your thread "packer". Ok spinning the hair is done now you got to trim it  This where those long bladed scissors make the difference.Here's a picture of the first cut I make to get the bullet shaped head  Note that the cut in the hair is in line with the line of the tail.This really helps establish a depth and angle of cut which in turn will give the fly a smooth outline and sillouette. I rotate the fly as I trim it working from the nose to the collar making sure I don't trim off the deer hair tips where the deer head meets the feather tail.This collar also helps everything blend together and give you a smooth appearance as well. Hopefully yours comes out like this  Don't be discouraged if yours doesn't look exactly like mine.I've tied thousands of these things.It takes some practice to get the hang of it.
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flysully Member Senior Member |
posted 01-02-2002 05:23 PM
Thanks, 10x10, for taking the time to show in great detail how to spin deer hair so we can all try to make our flies look like yours! Your photos and instruction are so professional they should be included in a fly tying book! So many of us have benefitted from your detailed patterns and fly tying hints in the past couple of years and probably most of us have forgotten to let you know how helpful they've been. Thanks for your dedication to the sport. We all DO appreciate your expertise! IP: Logged |
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CRegalis Member 1,000 Post Club! |
posted 01-02-2002 06:15 PM
Thank you- really great stuff! (I never knew how this was done.) Now for the dumb question- what type of hair do you spin (body hair?) and how is it purchased? (In other words, how is this different from bucktail... Thanks! IP: Logged |
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IsmailG Member 1,000 Post Club! |
posted 01-02-2002 06:35 PM
Ken, you deffinetely rule. I thought I would ever be able to do a spun deer hair fly. I used your instructions and it took me 2 tries to get it respectable like. Thanks again. IP: Logged |
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gadwall8 Member 4,000 Post Club! Evil Overlord |
posted 01-02-2002 07:21 PM
we're not worthy! Thanks 10x10 IP: Logged |
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10x10 Forum Leader Ken Schwam 1956-2002 Rest in peace Kenny, you will live here forever through your words.... |
posted 01-02-2002 07:25 PM
You'll get the best results with deer body hair that is from the flanks and belly of the deer.Body hair is full of little air pockets which are what makes the hair flair.It also makes it float.Most fly shops will have some.It comes in various sized pieces and the hair is on the skin.It seem hard to find any in large quantities though.Bucktail is a solid hair and will not crimp as easily as body hair.It does not float.It's better for streamers ,bucktails and jigs and tails on lures. IP: Logged |
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DCVER Member Elite Member |
posted 01-02-2002 09:38 PM
Yo, 10x, like I said, you da man. I much appreciate your very detailed reply. Just for curiosity,how many bundles of hair did you get on that fly? I also had some questions about stacking-aside from incorporating different colors, is there any advantage to stacking over spinning for getting tightly packed heads? IP: Logged |
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linney Member 1,000 Post Club! |
posted 01-03-2002 08:04 AM
great thread 10X, I can't wait to get home and give it a shot. I think my problem has been lesser quantities of hair per bundle. Thanks for a great tip! IP: Logged |
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AlexT Member Elite Member |
posted 01-03-2002 10:20 AM
We are not worthy! 10x, how do you get the head so symmetrical and smooth? Just the long scissors? How long does it usually take you to shape the head? Thanks. IP: Logged |
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10x10 Forum Leader Ken Schwam 1956-2002 Rest in peace Kenny, you will live here forever through your words.... |
posted 01-03-2002 12:22 PM
Those long bladed scissors make all the difference.They should be sharp too.Sharp scissors cut a lot cleaner than dull ones.Takes me less than a minute to trim a slider bug head. Trimming is actually the hard part.You have to have somewhat of an eye for visualizing what it should look like.Somewhat like a carver sees the subject he's carving in a block of wood or stone.You have to do it over and over again to get it right.Don't expect the first one to come out perfect. I'll do some stuff on stacking deer hair next week. IP: Logged |
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linney Member 1,000 Post Club! |
posted 01-03-2002 02:49 PM
10X, you showed a comb as part of the used tools. When do you use it? IP: Logged |
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10x10 Forum Leader Ken Schwam 1956-2002 Rest in peace Kenny, you will live here forever through your words.... |
posted 01-03-2002 03:17 PM
The comb is used to clean out all the underfur and short hairs form each bundle of hair before you tie it on.A dog brush works pretty good too. IP: Logged |
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AlexT Member Elite Member |
posted 01-03-2002 05:08 PM
10x, I think if you should join the fly swap and make one of these for each of us. That would be the ultimate in demoing!
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Tidewater Member Elite Member |
posted 01-03-2002 09:18 PM
Kenny, Very, very nice. IP: Logged |
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