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DCVER
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posted 01-02-2002 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCVER   Click Here to Email DCVER     send a private message to DCVER   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that the weather has turned, my passion is once again turning to tying. 10x10, maybe you can give us a lesson on deer hair. My problem is that I never seem to get the finished product as tightly packed as I have seen other's bass bugs and muddlers. Do those people stack hair on top of each bundle they spin? This seems to make for a denser bundle. As far as pushing the hair, I find that the Brassie tool tears the hair and sometimes the thread, so I use my fingers which kills them(even when I conceal the hook) and maybe does not do such a great job of pushing. You sent me a PM a few months ago and you mentioned a certain Daichi hook for bass bugs- do you know where to get them and which model do you use?

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AlexT
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posted 01-02-2002 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlexT     send a private message to AlexT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The keys for me in getting tighter heads have been:

1) The right hair. Softer, thinner hair spins better and packs tighter.
2) Use more. My bunches average about the diameter of a pencil. When I was using smaller bunches it didn't work as well.
3) Get a bunch of different packers and try them all for the one that works best for you. Return the rest. The one I use is a big black plastic one--I forget the make.

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Ken Schwam
1956-2002
Rest in peace Kenny,
you will live here
forever through
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posted 01-02-2002 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 10x10   Click Here to Email 10x10     send a private message to 10x10   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oooohhh,I knew I should have saved that post I did a while back.
Ok here's another one.It's got a lot of pictures so it might take a while to download.Somebody PLEASE save this one!
I'll tie a black slider bug.That's a simple fly to make.
Here's all the tools I use to spin deer hair.

I like long bladed scissors for trimming. Long cuts give the finished bug a smoother appearance.I use a clamp style vise.Pedestal is OK but I'd clamp it down if possible.You need to pull pretty hard sometimes.For thread I like size A flat waxed nylon made by Danville

I've tried pretty much everything and that's my favorite thread for spinning.
after you've tied in the tail feathers cut off as much hair as you can hold between your thumb and forefinger.Hold it by the very tips and comb out all the stuff that's shorter.You'll end up with about half as much.
Hold it in your left hand with tips of the hair facing towards the tail on top of the hook.Your thread should be hanging directly in front of where the tail is tied in underneath your thumb.

Push the hair down around the hook slightly so it starts to surround it.Like this;

Take a loose turn of thread around the bundle of hair one complete revolution.As you come around over the top with the thread for the second time start to pull hard enough to flair the hair but do not let go of the tips just yet.

Zig-zag your thread forward through the flaired butts until you are in front of the hair altogether with the thread

Take a 1/2 dozen turns of thread in front of the hair like this and put a drop of cement on the wraps.Don't use crazy glue.Regular varnish thinned down is ideal.

Tie the next bundle directly on top of the wraps of thread.Do this before you apply each bundle of hair as you fill up the hook.
Continue filling up the hook with hair
(See part two for the rest)

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10x10
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Ken Schwam
1956-2002
Rest in peace Kenny,
you will live here
forever through
your words....

posted 01-02-2002 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 10x10   Click Here to Email 10x10     send a private message to 10x10   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DCVER,the hook I like to use for bugs is a Dai-ichi 2461.

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