lisurfer49 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 What hooks are available that will ride hook up without tying a clouser style fly? Thinking for fishing rocky areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianBM Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 You might try a jig hook, like the Eagle Claw 413, and tie the bucktail off the forward part of the shank. It will look funny. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAQ Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hooks designed for soft plastics will work too. You will only have a small area of shank to tie on though. Embrace American Privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblhauler Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Look up Blind Chicken on the internet, I use these down here in Florida on the grass flats. Great non fouling fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Time Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 How about the Bendback Fly, or is that too "clouser". FLY TIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slip n slide Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Quote:Originally Posted by BrianBMÂ You might try a jig hook, like the Eagle Claw 413, and tie the bucktail off the forward part of the shank. It will look funny. So what? Â Jig hook has to have weight to make it flip over or it will ride point down like any other hook. A method I've been using for 40 some years now to flip a hook over is to tie a strip of twist-ems(lead strip,matchbook style packing) along the top of the hook and just into the bend,will flip almost any hook but works best w/ a sproat type bend,common in many SW hooks.You can tie a streamer,shrimp,crab,whatever on the hook once weighted as such.All flies below are tied w/ a strip along the top to flip it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianBM Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hmmm. Good ties, illustrative, but I have a notion for an unweighted fly that ought not to need weight. First to tie, then to try, but alas! the local water is currently frozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisurfer49 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Slip n Slide thats a great idea. Can you keep the weight significantly down in comparison to a clouser? This is for fishing rocky areas like Montauk and the like from shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAQ Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 This is what I was thinking. Embrace American Privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisurfer49 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Yeah! Been experimenting with those hooks in 5/0. A few patterns came out nice that I think will work, I like yours a lot. Who makes that hook? Seems a bit inconsistent between companies with the amount of room behind the eye to work with, seems like yours has more then the ones I've been finding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAQ Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 That is not my fly, I grabbed it from a search. As for hooks, I think the Gamakatsu EWG has a decent amount of usable shank. Embrace American Privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAQ Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I did another search and found the name of the fly, it is called the Jerk Minnow. The flies are tied on DOA long neck hooks. It looks like Eagle Claw and VMC make these hooks. Embrace American Privilege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisurfer49 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Good stuff, the Eagleclaw made ones look like the neck is a bit longer then what I have been using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slip n slide Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Quote:Originally Posted by lisurfer49  Slip n Slide thats a great idea. Can you keep the weight significantly down in comparison to a clouser? This is for fishing rocky areas like Montauk and the like from shore. The amount you need to flip it is way less'n a pr of lead or brass eyes.An individual strip weighs .07gms.A pr of 5/32 brass eyes weighs .08 grms.Half that strip will flip a 1/0 hook,just make sure you run it part way into the bend to end up just above the point where the barb sticks up.The strip along the top helps in changing the center of balance but the lil bit that goes into the bend is what really allows less weight to work so well.I like to taper the ends to a point w/ nailclippers to make a neater tie off.Leave enough room at the front to finish off a head as you would normally tie.The Bartleet salmon hooks and the curved shank/tapered eye steelhead hooks are great shapes for a fly that relentlessly rides point up even in a strong current using the lead strip and are my preference for many crustacean flies.Hooks w/ a round bend don't work so well w/ this,for instance,a GamiSP11-3L3H is a hook shape not good for the strip flip.The Gami SC15, SL11&12,mustadC68,daiichii2546,TMC811 etc.. are perfect for the flip. SteinGM took that strip idea and ran w/ it and made up some cool streamers that ride point up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Verlicco Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Use and bend back style hook or bend your own. And try to use more hollow bucktail tied higher up as the buoyancy of the bucktail will help the hook ride point up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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