seadogface Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Beretta M9 is gonna go need for a light weight polymer is the guess sweetheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basenjib123 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Can't they do a .45 in light weight polymer? A lot more stopping power than a 9ner. The .45 killed plenty of of our enemies in the past. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudsy Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 This may be a really stupid question, but i honestly don't know the answer Can you get the velocity needed out of a plastic gun .45 to pierce body armor ?? I just wanta play everyday despite small nagging injuries -- and go home to a woman who appreciates how full of crap I truly am. ~ Crash Davis Social Distancing since 1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichum Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 This may be a really stupid question, but i honestly don't know the answer Can you get the velocity needed out of a plastic gun .45 to pierce body armor ?? I doubt that any .45 ACP load fired from a handgun can have enough kinetic energy to penetrate body armor. An exotic .45 ACP load fired from a rifle might be able to do it. Maybe. Perhaps. "Who is John Galt?" Who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichum Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Beretta M9 is gonna go need for a light weight polymer is the guess The word is that the military is going to drop the 9mm and replace it with the .40 S&W. Light weight, durable polymer makes sense. Polymer & strikers are proven. "Who is John Galt?" Who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I think it unlikely that the US would violate STANAG policy for uniformity of ammunition calibers. It serves no good purpose to 'jump' to 40 caliber. "I think, that all right thinking people, are sick & tired of being told that they're sick & tired of being sick & tired. I, for one, am not. And I'm sick & tired of being told that I am." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadwall8 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 (UPI) -- The Pentagon announced it will actively seek a new manufacturing contract to replace Beretta as the primary sidearm of the United States military. Gun manufacture Smith & Wesson and a division of General Dynamics have already announced plans to enter a jointly-produced firearm based on Smith & Wesson's M&P, an already popular polymer pistol used by law enforcement agencies around the world. "The strategic partnership between our two companies provides us with a tremendous opportunity to support our military with a state-of-the-art sidearm, namely our M&P pistol," Smith & Wesson President and Chief Executive Officer James Deb said of the joint venture. A potential military contract has lasting historic implications for the gun model chosen. The Army first contracted the 9mm Beretta M9 in 1985. Before the M9, the Colt M1911 served as the Army's standard-issue sidearm for nearly 90 years. In addition to the finacial security of a long-term government contract, producers of the military's most common pistol also become cultural icons. According to CNNMoney, "Guns chosen by the military achieve cult status, used as iconic weapons in James Bond and other action movies, and become highly desirable among civilian gun owners too." Indeed, the "lethal weapon" carried by fictional Detective Martin Riggs in Richard Donner's Lethal Weapon was a 9mm Beretta. The Pentagon will formally issue the Modular Handgun System solicitation in January. Beretta has announced it will also enter the competition to retain its title as the primary U.S. military sidearm. Read more: http://*************/Business_News/Security-Industry/2014/12/03/Beretta-out-as-standard-issue-Army-sidearm-Pentagon-taking-bids-for-replacement/5191417641526/#ixzz3KvfJoQOc I find it hard to believe the DoD is going to make this a priority. It will be interesting to see if they accept pistols without external hammers for the trials. "I came into this world naked, screaming at the top of my lungs, and covered in someone else's blood. I got no problem leaving it that way."Who can hope to be safe? Who sufficiently cautious? Guard himself as he may, every moment's an ambush. Horace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edfrompa Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Be a good opportunity to dump the 9mm and upgrade to one of the 40+ calibers. "Certain" usually means being dead wrong- at the top of your lungs. Jeff Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandflee Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Homeland security/Customs use the Beretta 45 If you try to change it, you will ruin it. Try to hold it, and you will lose it. Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Ackwards Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Homeland security/Customs use the Beretta 45 Are these Berettas made in the USA? The thought of a military weapon being made outside the country sickens me. fishinambition Posted June 30 ·After a decade and a half of trolling and disrupting the website, frank's finally fed up with Tim's bull**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Are these Berettas made in the USA? The thought of a military weapon being made outside the country sickens me. Pretty sure they're made in Maryland. Most military firearms, even if contracted overseas, are made in the US of A. That may be part of the deal. Again, though, why would the miltary go to a 40 caliber, and violate STANAG policy? Not to mention the fact that any 40 caliber ammo would be FMJ only. That would negate expansion. "I think, that all right thinking people, are sick & tired of being told that they're sick & tired of being sick & tired. I, for one, am not. And I'm sick & tired of being told that I am." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinambition Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 That prolly hurts 9mm more than any other caliber. which is why .45 acp would be best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcut Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I would think they would have to give some serious consideration to whatever is in that box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwell Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Generally speaking the basic infantry weapons are at least capable of being manufactured in the country using them. Canada uses the C7 and C8, our equivalents to the M16 family and the C9, equivalent to your SAW249, the FN Minimi. Both eventually made here. No matter how well we get along if we both go to war at the same time you are obviously going to supply your people first and the rest of the world waits in line. No hard feelings, just the way it works. Puck - Ditch Troll #42 and Mouse #320, the Canadians - Eh! At the Ditch for 50yrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokes Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Isn't the Glock very finicky with ammo? I know my M&P will anything I feed it. Reloads, crappy steel ammo, crappy brass. Doesn't matter. I would think that alone would be a selling point for anyone who has to rely on possibly shooting crappy found ammo in a warzone no? "The toothless, braindead, *********, geriatric mouthbreathers around here love their "safe space". It is the only place in the world where they feel like winners, the gracious thing to do, would be to let them enjoy their delusional reality." -Numbnuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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