hanlon-surf Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 first let me say thank you to everyone on here for helping me out with my first season fishing braid. while i wish 2014 wasnt over the odds of me getting back out this year are slim. i was quite apprehensive at first, but i see what all the fuss is about, and other than maybe a back up bait soaking reel, I am a braid guy! yes i got a few wind knots and had a few issues with my braid to leader knot, but thats learning. i never did cut myself and have over 2000 "braid casts" under my belt so knock on wood there. i will say that the casting distance and spool capacity MORE than make up for the occasional issues. and soon, thanks to experience, i hope these issues will just go away. to be honest, now im looking for smaller reels as i dont need the monsters that hold 300yards of 20# mono! for the record i used a 440ssg spooled with 20# PP and a V5500 with 30# 832. so yea, braid FTW!!!!! -Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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isleomaniac Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I get a lot of wind knots especially on my reel with the smaller spool. Although I am not sure they are caused by the wind? Very annoying. Worm Hatch Inspector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndtuttle Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I get a lot of wind knots especially on my reel with the smaller spool. Although I am not sure they are caused by the wind? Very annoying. Â "Wind Knots" are caused by line twist, fundamentally, but when wind is present they get worse as the twisted loops coming off of the reel are blown about during the cast letting them do their worst hence "wind knot". Â Ideal spooling technique (machine), reducing twist by fishing some sort of swivel in your terminal rig, shimming the spool to get ideal line lay and not overfilling the spool are generally the key. All spinning reels have the same issues more or less, you just gotta manage twist. Â ps also get that bail closed when you hit the water, that period when loose coils are drifting off of the spool are also when twist can get to work. This of course means that you have also let too much twist build up. get it out by (ideally) trailing 100yards loose behind the boat for a bit, then reeling it in under finger tension "squeezing" the twist out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedJeep Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I get a lot of wind knots especially on my reel with the smaller spool. Although I am not sure they are caused by the wind? Very annoying.  I believe that the birds nests made on spinners with braid should be called BAIL Knots. While the braid is still sporting it's coating the bail will flip the line over the spool leaving a loop that gets caught on your next cast.  Peace Frank II --- If anyone needs me, I'll be in my MAN CAVE, rotating the laundry. - C.C.A. - American Littoral Society Tagger w/ 61 returns - Vietnam Veteran U. S. Army, Grand Pa of 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleomaniac Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I believe these knots are formed before they leave the rod eyes, or even near the first eye. Anyway, I switched back to mono for albie fishing. I don't have time for knot problems and frustration, time is precious when these fish are blitzing. Worm Hatch Inspector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyK Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 This makes simpler, more sense than anything I've ever read on this subject. Thank you. Â quote name="johndtuttle" url="/t/952962/braid-report-from-a-life-time-mono-fisherman#post_11595488"] "Wind Knots" are caused by line twist, fundamentally, but when wind is present they get worse as the twisted loops coming off of the reel are blown about during the cast letting them do their worst. Â Ideal spooling technique (machine), reducing twist by fishing some sort of swivel in your terminal rig, shimming the spool to get ideal line lay and not overfilling the spool are generally the key. All spinning reels have the same issues more or less, you just gotta manage twist. Â ps also get that bail closed when you hit the water, that period when loose coils are drifting off of the spool are when twist can get to work. Marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Fishil Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 close the bail manually and pay attention to your line. some reels are just not braid friendly. a lot of guys have success with fireline because it is usually thicker in diameter than the corresponding pound test braid. make sure you are not over spooling too much line on the reel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoosterSeeker Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by Artie Fishil close the bail manually and pay attention to your line. some reels are just not braid friendly. a lot of guys have success with fireline because it is usually thicker in diameter than the corresponding pound test braid. make sure you are not over spooling too much line on the reel. You don't use a reel with a manual bail? Keith   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblemaker Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I get a lot of wind knots especially on my reel with the smaller spool. Although I am not sure they are caused by the wind? Very annoying. are throwing light lures then throwing heavy lures. that can do it alot of times. after throwing a red fin and then putting on a 2 ounce wood needle fish you can get wind knots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillNutz Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I believe these knots are formed before they leave the rod eyes, or even near the first eye. Â I agree with this... The last few wind knots that I experienced, I heard a thump right after the cast, a similar thump that you hear when your leader knot hits the eye of the rod. Sure enough after reeling it in, wind knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Fishil Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 You don't use a reel with a manual bail?  Keith  I use reels with bails some of which, like the Saltiga Blast, have bails that have to be closed manually. Others like the 2600SS can be closed by turning the handle or closed manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanlon-surf Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 im in the habit of manually closing my bails so thats not the issue. i was trying to really sling some light lures into a little bit of a cross-wind so im sure that had a lot to do with it. the knots were the worst with my 440ssg spooled with 20# PP. i know thats an older reel that may not be suited for thin braid. no worries though, this was prolly the last season for her. i am curious to try a few different braids, but as they cost so much more than mono, that will take some time. i would ask around on here, but after reading many of the "favorite braid" type threads it seems like the opinions are as varied a king to Penn Vs. Shimano Vs. Daiwa Vs. VS...  i do have one question though. once braid is warn, do they all cast about the same? my camo green 832 is now a very light green/white. im sure the line is fine, but with that fancy coating warn off is it now the same as say PP or another "non special" braid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleomaniac Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I solved the problem of wind? knots. I replaced the first two eyes with larger eyes. I guess they were too small and the line slapped up against them when casting creating those knots. So I no longer get knots when casting. Worm Hatch Inspector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndtuttle Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I solved the problem of wind? knots. I replaced the first two eyes with larger eyes. I guess they were too small and the line slapped up against them when casting creating those knots. So I no longer get knots when casting. Â Glad you got it sorted. Sometimes a particular reel (stem length) and a particular rod (first guide size and placement) can be a deal breaker for wind knots and casting distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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