TatonkaJames Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Right on Bill ! Bill Maher ABSOLUTELY CRUSHES Charlie Rose For Comparing Islam To Christianity BILL MAHER: I saw Howard Dean on TV the other day and he said something along the order, he said the people in ISIS -- he said I'm about as Islamic as they are, you know, distancing the vast numbers of Islamic people around the world from them. That's just not true. CHARLIE ROSE: It is true. MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between -- ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical? MAHER: Let me finish. ROSE: I was doing that. MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that -- ROSE: A vast number of Christians too. MAHER: No, that's not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians -- ROSE: I agree with that -- MAHER: -- do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren't just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No. ROSE: No. MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. ROSE: How do you know that? MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it. ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that? MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago -- 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I'm sure you know these things. ROSE: Well I do. But I don't believe -- MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed a couple weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality. ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief. MAHER: Right, okay, so we're upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they're our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I'm not saying - ROSE: But they're now fighting against ISIS too. They're joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries. MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS. ROSE: Well, it's not the government. I mean, some of them -- MAHER: Certainly the governments. ROSE: It's a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim -- MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don't have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don't you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it's not talked about nearly as much. ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim? MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one. ROSE: I promise you I'll find one. MAHER: Find a Muslim -- ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of -- MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue. ROSE: -- not representative of the Islamic religion. I don't think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things. MAHER: Well you're wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that's horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No. But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says -- ROSE: I wouldn't expect for her to -- MAHER: And she would know better than -- ROSE: Exactly. MAHER: But can we really say -- ROSE: She's been a victim. MAHER: -- women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places. ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries -- ROSE: As they should. MAHER: -- they're doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, 'they want to.' They want to. They've been brainwashed. It's like saying a street walker wants to do that. "All The Worlds A Stooge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrock Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I wouldn't pay 5 cents to see Bill Maher if he had Christ in knickers on stage with him, but I agree with him on this one. "mother Theresa was a POS"-fish'nmagician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCstriper Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Probably the first time I ever agreed with Bill Maher ! (*member formerly known as 'PCSilverstriper') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TatonkaJames Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 The thing about Maher and others like him is, he's been doing the same thing since his first show Politically Incorrect since 1993. The PROBLEM people have with him is simple. He speaks against BOTH sides. 95% of the public can't handle that. 99% of the PG can't. They will hate anyone who speaks one sentence of ill against "their" party or candidate, past or present, like they're royalty. With percentages like that, no wonder we get the same garbage voted in and out and nothing changes. "All The Worlds A Stooge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't really see the issue as being one of Islam, I see it as "Those people who live there are freaking nuts and they happen to be Muslims' no doubt though that the religion is being used to reinforce the nuttiness, but it's hard to inspire a suicide bomber without dangling rewards of the afterlife in front of him. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrock Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Where is "there"? They seem to be nuts all over the globe in the name of Islam. "mother Theresa was a POS"-fish'nmagician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by jkrock Where is "there"? They seem to be nuts all over the globe in the name of Islam. the middle east, and yeah, it's amazing how a nut can get on an airplane and go all over the globe, I personally don't see Islam taking otherwise normal people and turning them into killers, Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrock Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 There is very little difference ideologically between a moderate and extremist Muslim. Crossing the murderous line is about it. "mother Theresa was a POS"-fish'nmagician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by jkrock There is very little difference ideologically between a moderate and extremist Muslim. Crossing the murderous line is about it. If you say so, I don't believe that to be true........ I think you can just as easily blame their common trait of being male, or having black hair, or having beards. I think the middle east is a cluster fluck right now, and we had a hand in creating it. not sure what the solution is though. but the region is filled with angry pissed off people, without much to lose, the western world dominated them for a long time, and they have embraced asymetrical warfare. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM58 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I personally don't see Islam taking otherwise normal people and turning them into killers, ISIL is using Islam, via social media and other means of recruitment, to turn people into killers (fighters). Calls for jihad against "infidels" are pretty much par for the course for many Imans and other religious leaders of Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCstriper Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Bill Maher does not go after the Liberal left like he does the Rep. right , but thats fine he isn't a news program . He is a , supposed, comedian and I'm sure some people find him entertaining , I try and watch him but its just not very good . I find him very smug and smarmy , he believes he is the smartest guy around and if you don't agree with him you are an imbecile ! Like I said earlier , its probably the first time I ever agreed with him . (*member formerly known as 'PCSilverstriper') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrock Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 If you say so, I don't believe that to be true........ I think you can just as easily blame their common trait of being male, or having black hair, or having beards. I think the middle east is a cluster fluck right now, and we had a hand in creating it. not sure what the solution is though. but the region is filled with angry pissed off people, without much to lose, the western world dominated them for a long time, and they have embraced asymetrical warfare. http://media.gallup.com/WorldPoll/PDF/MWSRRadical022207.pdf "mother Theresa was a POS"-fish'nmagician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by MikeMunn ISIL is using Islam, via social media and other means of recruitment, to turn people into killers (fighters). Calls for jihad against "infidels" are pretty much par for the course for many Imans and other religious leaders of Islam. I think the corruption of the religion is systematic with the problems of the middle east, and not the cause of it. the western world (England, US, etc.) have played with that region like they were pieces on a game board, and I think it created a LOT of ill will. Look at the effects of our actions in Iraq, we toppled their government, disbanded their military and police forces, and chaos has ensued, every innocent life lost in Iraq is very likely creating a grudge holding future martyr, Islam is just reflecting that reality, I don't think it's creating it. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zybathegeek Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I personally don't see Islam taking otherwise normal people and turning them into killers, In the absence of widespread and resounding condemnation of this abhorrent behavior by the Imam's of every Mosque across the world, we non Islamists can only assume that moderate Islam is in favor of said abhorrent behavior. Politicians and diapers should be changed often and regularly, invariably for the same reason. ______________________________________________________________ "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Attributed to Abraham Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltydawg Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 It's not a geographical issue. Muslims all over the globe silently excuse and even condone the actions of radical Islamists. The thread is not geographical. It is clearly religious. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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