Springer Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I notice from searching old threads that a lot of guys are using bite leaders on their drum rigs that are very heavy (80-120 lb). Is there a practical reason for this, I typically use 50 lb for my striper rigs. Related to that it seems the length of those bite leaders are very short, 1-3" whereas again my striper rigs are usually 6-10". Are there no issues with the sinker riding up that close to the bait? I would assume that the short bite leader improves casting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtd35 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 The heavy leader helps prevent bite offs from sharks. I typically use 120lb for drum. I mainly use 3-4" leaders, just can't get myself to use the 1". Some do use the short rig and hookup fine. Whether it lessens your hookup ratio is a bit of an unknown to me which is why i stick to 3-4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOSS Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 The reason for the short leaders is to improve casting distance. Drum can be all about distance so you want to squeeze every last ounce out of your casts. Some folks use cannonball rigs with the weight right up against the hook. I use 100lb leader material for all my leaders for the abrasion resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 1" works for me...130# Jinkai...9/0 Gami big eye...1/0 SPRO swivel...now ya know all my secrets...almost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md808 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 1" works for me...130# Jinkai...9/0 Gami big eye...1/0 SPRO swivel...now ya know all my secrets...almost...This is the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Thanks, It looks like I need to get some heavier leader material. Can you still tie snells and palomers with 100+ test (what I normally do) or do you switch up your knots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBow Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Snell my hooks by hand w/100# all the time. Use crimps for the swivel connections. This year I'm trying crimps at the hook eye to get a bit more "rotation" at the hook up than a snell will allow. My crimps have always held just fine, but a neatly tied snell `tis a thing of beauty. An 8 oz sinker and a bunker head will only fly so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Heavy stuff snells just fine. Plug (RIP) used to crow about knots. But, like Bill, I like to crimp the swivel end. Prolly don't matter but I like to think it makes it a bit easier for that big circle to slide around & hook up right where ya want it to. And, like Bill, I tried crimping at the hook as well. But it just don't look right without that purdy snell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichLou Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 AtTheBar and I gather before our trips and tie our rigs. He's been blessed with more nimble fingers than I and can snell 80-100# no problem. Generally though we crimp our rigs. He will snell some but mostly even the hooks are crimped. We have never had a crimp fail yet. We always make sure to pull test everything and if it doesn't look like a good connection from your man cave, cut it and retie/crimp it because it won't hold when it matters. (*member formerly known as 'rookie surf') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaearl Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I crimp most of my hooks , I;m not a knot tier , at times I use a ball swivel with any where from a 1 to 3 " hook leader , 60 # , I know most of you use a lot higher # I also use 60" shock leader about 6' to 10 ', which I no most of you use , 20 or so yards of leader to get the leader on the reel, lol then you feel safe that your going to land it , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyOC Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 hook -> snell -> 130-150lb mono 1-3" -> crimp to swivel ====> uni knot -> coast lock and swivel with sinker attached ->80-100lb "rub leader" 4-5' -> albright with short tags ====> 50-60lb shock 20-25' ====> shock leader knot ->slim beauty with double running line or albright ====> 17 or 20lb running line. Big fish goes on hook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtd35 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by luckyOC Big fish goes on hook! This is where my setup fails....boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyOC Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 your avatar tells a different story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtd35 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Haha!.....to the asian hole One other thought with rigs...I ran out of crimps this spring and just used a 3-turn clinch knot to connect my (100-120lb) hook leader to the swivel. I think this is how Plug (RIP) did it, worked great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOSS Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Snell the hook and palomar the swivel for me. I don't think there is anything wrong with crimping, I just prefer the knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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