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I moved back to the "motherland" (as my wife calls it) last year after 33 years in NJ :upck: I haven't fished the GSB since the late 70's;except for a couple of party boat trips out of Captree. The boat will be in my backyard on the Patchogue River. Any tips? Any Weakfish these days? Am I running to Moriches or FI Inlet to catch anything?

 

Any info would be appreciated

 

TIA

 

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General thoughts:

 

I run my boat out of Babylon, and don't often go as far east as Patchogue. But May should treat you pretty well. There will be some weaks in the bay--fishing was pretty bad for a while, but picked up a bit a couple of years ago, and we should see some fish this spring. You should have schools of bay bluefish busting all over once the water warms. I had so many at times last spring that there weren't enough birds to cover all of the schools busting at the same time. There are bass under some of the bluefish schools.

 

Fluke should be inside for the season opener. If the water is cold, they'll be a little deeper in the bay, taking advantage of places where the sun can warm up shallower water.

 

My instinct is to favor Fire Island Inlet, because that's where I fish, but there will be a lot of dredge activity there, so Moriches may provide you with a better opportunity once the early flood of life into the bay begins to ebb into a summer pattern. It might be worth poking around the eastern bay just a bit, and the new inlet has brought clean water and more fish to an area that was pretty well a dead sea for years. It was the only area that was more or less free from brown tide last June/early July; the brown tide pretty well shut things down in a lot of the other parts of our bays while it was present.

 

That's a start. At this point, I'm not going to guess how the rest of the season will look, because so many factors, including brown tide, play a role. But head east or west and you should do OK, once you get back into the rhythm. As the season begins, you'll even have life pretty close to home. Also, I don't know how big your boat is, but if you feel comfortable running the inlets, you'll find that a pretty nice fishery for fluke and black sea bass has developed outside, on the artificial reefs, on natural bottom structure and on the wrecks.

 

You should find plenty to keep you occupied.

"I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.."  --  Ted Williams

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I moved back to the "motherland" (as my wife calls it) last year after 33 years in NJ :upck: I haven't fished the GSB since the late 70's;except for a couple of party boat trips out of Captree. The boat will be in my backyard on the Patchogue River. Any tips? Any Weakfish these days? Am I running to Moriches or FI Inlet to catch anything?

 

Any info would be appreciated

 

TIA

 

Joe

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Actually wouldn't surprise me. As bad as Suffolk is, Nassau is worse, and I can easily imagine Jersey being at least as bad as Nassau.

 

What always amazes me is that I own a place up in Connecticut that I rent out, in a town that, in many ways (although not with respect to fishing, etc., which is why I don't live there) has far more to offer than Long Island, better schools, etc., and given the comparative values of the property, the Connecticut tax is shockingly cheaper.

"I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.."  --  Ted Williams

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Actually wouldn't surprise me. As bad as Suffolk is, Nassau is worse, and I can easily imagine Jersey being at least as bad as Nassau.

What always amazes me is that I own a place up in Connecticut that I rent out, in a town that, in many ways (although not with respect to fishing, etc., which is why I don't live there) has far more to offer than Long Island, better schools, etc., and given the comparative values of the property, the Connecticut tax is shockingly cheaper.



I left NJ a few years ago after 30+ years in Union County, heading back to NY where I now live. Taxes in NJ are driven by schools, pensions and benefits of all kinds, not to mention double dippers in Trenton. There are many of those types. I heard recently in a Gov Christie address that 95% of the budget is servicing pensions and benefits which makes it awfully hard to go forward on other fronts.



I can't imagine NY's issues are vastly different.  The two have to be the 2 most corrupted state government systems in the US, that can't help.



Maybe Connecticut is just managed better.


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New York is really blessed when it comes to corruption. At some point in the last year, the magazine Crain's New York Business rated New York as #1 in corruption, based on the number of corrupt politicians actually uncovered. To what I hope was no one's surprise, most were in the southeast corner of the state, including New York City and Long Island.

 

To be fair, New York is a big state, so Crain's also came up with a population-weighted corruption standard--sort of a "crooks-per-100,000 citizens" kind of thing. Under that standard, New York slipped all the way to fourth place, below Louisiana, Illinois and--if I remember correctly--Washington, D.C.

"I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.."  --  Ted Williams

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I read a article somewhere on how Westchester,( population around 1 million), Nassau, Rockland are the top 3 counties for real estate taxes($8,500 a year on average) and were compared to Fairfax county,(population around 1 million) Virginia on real estate taxes($4,600 a year on average). Both areas have close to the same median income and I thing Fairfax is higher and the median house value was $582,000 vs. $542,000. The problem is, for example Westchester has 40 school superintendents earning over 10,000,000(***!) a year vs. Fairfax has one at 292,000 a year. Also the tax payers paying into the pensions and health benefits is killing us. Why the **** don't teachers pay into their own pensions like most everyone else and this life long medical at tax payers dime. The system will implode. They really should look at Fairfax county and learn. BTW the students down south have higher SAT's then the north does so I don't want to hear that bull that these northern kids are getting a better education. This is a truly remarkable article if you want to read it http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/June-2010/Why-Are-Our-Taxes-So-High/index.php?cparticle=2&siarticle=1#artanc

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To some extent, it's the same way up in Connecticut. School districts kill us in New York.

 

The town where I own my property is about the same size, physically, as Babylon, although the population is only about 60% of what Babylon is. There is ONE school district, with ONE superintendent. There is ONE high school, which is big, but is structured so it effectively contains four different sub-schools, which all share the same science, phys ed, music, cafeteria and other specialized facilities.

 

In Babylon, you have the Amityville, Babylon, Copiague, Deer Park, Lindenhurst, North Babylon, West Babylon and Wyandanch school systems, each with their own high-salary superintendents, each with their own high schools and specialty facilities, each with their own bureaucracies, etc.

 

The kids up in the Connecticut district get a great education. I was laughing when I saw that the West Babylon School District, they made a big deal over having two students in some kind of also-ran category for the National Merit Scholarships; supposedly, such kids were in the top 5% of all students--which means that if West Babylon was at least average, they should have 5 such also-rans for every 100 seniors; in my graduating class up in Connecticut, I was one of six or eight--I can't recall precisely--National Merit Scholarship finalists; no one ever talked about the also-rans, if they even had such a thing back then, so I can't say how many of them there were.

 

Connecticut also has no county or village structure; everything is done at either the town or the state level, which cuts out a lot of patronage and bureaucratic expense. Very few--don't know if there's any--special commissions, authorities, etc. that create little fiefdoms and suck up more taxpayer cash. There are pension problems like everywhere else, and you don't want to talk about some of the cities such as Bridgeport, Waterbury or New Haven, which have plenty of problems, but over all, they keep government under far tighter rein than New York does, where it seems to be one of the few growth industries.

"I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.."  --  Ted Williams

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I lived in Fairfax for a few years. It's very similar to Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester. Lots of top businesses, good school district, high median income. Taxes when I was there were about $10 for every $1000's worth of home. So a $500,000 home was taxed around $5000. They can do this because the Police, School district, and county workes don't have out of control compensation packages. There's no unions to scare the politicians into giving them whatever they want, nor are there the multiple towns and municipalities or special districts that suck the taxpayer dry like in Long Island.

 

There is a personal property tax in VA though, which might could add $800 a year to your taxes.

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