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post #76 of 98
Just curious BA,
How much should I expect to pay for this hands on training? Approximately?
Funds are fairly tight. I gave her good healthcare as a pup, had her spayed, etc.
But funds are an issue.

Also, I never got the papers from the breeder, tried to contact him last week, unavailable-twice.
Papers are required for NAVHDA, right?

Thanks
NJT
post #77 of 98
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NJTomatoguy View Post

Just curious BA,
How much should I expect to pay for this hands on training? Approximately?
Funds are fairly tight. I gave her good healthcare as a pup, had her spayed, etc.
But funds are an issue.

Also, I never got the papers from the breeder, tried to contact him last week, unavailable-twice.
Papers are required for NAVHDA, right?

Thanks
NJT

Since she is spayed, why are you trying to get her AKC papers? It's just a waste of money now, you can't do anything with them.

It's been many years since I've been able to hunt behind a dog, have no clue what a trainer gets these days. The woman I told you to call, Deb Goodie, is a professional field trialer, field trainer. She can answer those questions and help direct you to people in your area.

As for NAVHDA, I haven't been involved with them for decades. Google NAVHDA, go to their website and find people in your area. They are the ones to be asking. Just remember, NAVHDA is comprised of an awfull amount of people who know little about dogs (like you) who think they are exsperts (not like you biggrin.gif).
post #78 of 98
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Originally Posted by Bass Ackwards View Post

Since she is spayed, why are you trying to get her AKC papers? It's just a waste of money now, you can't do anything with them.

It's been many years since I've been able to hunt behind a dog, have no clue what a trainer gets these days. The woman I told you to call, Deb Goodie, is a professional field trialer, field trainer. She can answer those questions and help direct you to people in your area.

As for NAVHDA, I haven't been involved with them for decades. Google NAVHDA, go to their website and find people in your area. They are the ones to be asking. Just remember, NAVHDA is comprised of an awfull amount of people who know little about dogs (like you) who think they are exsperts (not like you biggrin.gif).


1. I want the papers because the breeder said he would give them to me.
1. (a) to register with NAVHDA, 3 generations is needed. No papers, no play, I'm guessing. http://www.navhda.org/singreg.pdf

2. As helpful as you have been since I got this dog, if you got thrown out of NAVHDA, I certainly lack the social skills to tolerate them.biggrin.gif

Sounds like some older fella from CT needs a field trip to NJ (or vice versa) to play with the rookie and the dog. wink.gif
post #79 of 98
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Originally Posted by NJTomatoguy View Post

1. I want the papers because the breeder said he would give them to me.
1. (a) to register with NAVHDA, 3 generations is needed. No papers, no play, I'm guessing. http://www.navhda.org/singreg.pdf

2. As helpful as you have been since I got this dog, if you got thrown out of NAVHDA, I certainly lack the social skills to tolerate them.biggrin.gif

Sounds like some older fella from CT needs a field trip to NJ (or vice versa) to play with the rookie and the dog. wink.gif

First off, me being "thrown out" of NAVHDA has nothing to do with your need for help. As much as I dislike NAVHDA, it can help you out big time if you give it a chance. You don't even need a dog to belong and I don't know what their criteria is for running a dog these days or just attending a training clinic, but if you really want to do something with your dog you can make a simple phone call and find out. Here is contact info.

New Jersey (COLUMBIA NJ)

BROOK HOLLOW






~CORSARO, JR, ROBERT J.

555 UPPER BLVD

RIDGEWOOD

NJ

07450-1507

201/447-3321



TRAINING LOCATION-- 52 FROG POND RD, COLUMBIA LAKE NJ , WILL SERVE THE NORTH WEST OF THE NJ AREA





New Jersey (JACKSON)

DELAWARE VALLEY


website: www.delvalnavhda.com



~DREYFUS, MARK

57 CITADEL DR

JACKSON

NJ

08527

732/364-3809


Write to one of them or call them.

AKC papers are only good for breeding, showing, or field trialing your dog, none of which you can do now because she is spade. You can fight the breeder all you want but you will only come out a loser because the AKC paperwork is now like conferate money, worthless because she is spade.
post #80 of 98
Don't completely disagree...but the papers are nice, just to show the lineage. This is actually more useful when selecting a dog to know from whence they come. This still doesn't tell the whole story, particularly with hunting breeds.
Once you have the AKC paperwork look into this...
The American Field Dog Stud Book.
http://americanfield.villagesoup.com/p/field-dog-stud-book/150590
They used to be (some argue still are) the standard to field dogs.
AKC is concerned with "breed standards" (disposition is among them) but not field standards. You can have a dog that's "perfect" by AKC standards and well papered yet have no nose and not hunt. Conversely, you can have a dog that's not pure bred (more and more of this) and be a wonderful hunting dog.

I had a dog that was 1/2 Chesapeake Bay Retriever and 1/2 Black Lab. Rocket was the runt...the only male left that wasn't spoken for, he was half the size of this two brothers. He ended up being built like and having the coat of a Bay Dog, but he was jet black with a white blaze on his chest. He weighed about ninety pounds (wonder what his brothers looked like?) He was the best hunting dog I ever had (though he was not an upland dog...wouldn't point) He would retrieve...and took voice and hand commands, never needed a whistle. Get his attention and he would tread water in circles until you directed him...many double retrieves...many wounded birds found and brought back. In a field he just loped around picking up birds until you needed him to do something specific. Park him in a hedgerow and he'd stay there until you released him.
No papers... great dog.
post #81 of 98
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No papers... great dog.

Try saying that to some folks and they'll thumb their nose at you.  To me, how the dog hunts is more important than the papers.

post #82 of 98
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Originally Posted by HopHead View Post

Try saying that to some folks and they'll thumb their nose at you.  To me, how the dog hunts is more important than the papers.

Bringing a dog into your home, wether from a top notch breeder or from the local shelter, should be a life time commitment. To me, it's like a poker hand, if I'm going to invest time, money, and love into a hunting partner for 12 years or more I want the best "hand" possible. Sure you can lose with the best "hand", most times you won't.
post #83 of 98
The Brittany was bred to be an "old man's dog" or a close working...hunt on foot...all around bird dog.
The field trial guys (and some of the proponents of the Field dog Stud Book) all but ruined the breed for it's original intent. They bred them longer legged and rangier...more like a GSP or a setter that they were often in competition with. The AKC dogs often have more of the desirable breed traits for hunting (besides size standard and demeanor) If you can find an AKC Brittany with a nose, you'll often find a good close working dog who's not "hyper" which is one of the characteristics that they are (unfairly) being labeled with post field trial "intervention". BTW those field trial dogs will look real good on paper...but by and large they still can't run with the big dogs and unless you're on a horse you can't hunt them.
Just sayin'.
I have my name at a Brittany breeder who's swearing she has an excellent field dog to breed with one of hers...I expect to hear soon.
post #84 of 98
It was pretty neat to sit at the breeders dining room table, him explaining the many years of history on the line, and what he has done to change the line.
I would like those papers, even if for nothing other than personal enjoyment, framed in my office, with her photo.
Like BA says above, just paper now that she is spayed.

That said, I should explain my situation...

I gave my house back to the bank. Moved in with my parents. Interesting, after 20 yrs out, to say the least.
I got a dog- they did not. Now WE have a dog in OUR house.
Mom is 69, healthy, but has a bad hip,knee. 3 story house is not kind to the old girl. We have been talking about a stair chair lift. Our friend just got one,
and it's great. Mom even test drove it. Also, Dad (65) has bad knees, so I cannot have a crazy dog knocking people over.
Basic Training for obedience is the priority. As should be with any pet inside the home.

Hunting is secondary, or possibly even 3rd down.
Dogs job here is:
Be a polite obedient house dog. Situation dictates that.
Get me off my ass, and outside. I have walked and hiked more since I got her then I had in 10 yrs.
Then, hunting.
In my Meet Morgan post, I got her for her activity, with no real intention of hunting with her, until you guys brought it up.

So in my little warped mind, she is perfect for me.
When we have a guest, she hops up on the living room couch(I'm not allowed on that couch), and sits quietly.
As long as she is respectful here, I'm good. Everything else will be a bonus.

BA, I'm sorry.. It seems to me like I derailed your thread. Thank you for the advice.
NJT
post #85 of 98
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Originally Posted by jrhjr View Post

I have my name at a Brittany breeder who's swearing she has an excellent field dog to breed with one of hers...I expect to hear soon.

Awesome. We need puppy pics when it happens...
post #86 of 98
Here is my Brit. He's actually naturally tailless, Im guessing that is why so many people passed up on him. Wonderful dog.
post #87 of 98
From the AKC Breed Standards...

Brittany:

"...Tail--Tailless to approximately four inches, natural or docked. The tail not to be so long as to affect the overall balance of the dog. Set on high, actually an extension of the spine at about the same level. Any tail substantially more than four inches shall be severely penalized..."
post #88 of 98
Yea, he actually has no real tail at all, maybe like a half inch stub. It was never docked, just naturally that way. Most brits are born with tails and have them docked to that 3 inch or so bob tail, and alot of people prefer that look. Some brits are born with full, half tails, natural bob tail , or no tail.
post #89 of 98
That's a great looking dog JT!
post #90 of 98
Our first lab, bout 30 years ago, came from Illinois. She was the ideal Lab - great nose, strong swimmer, impervious to cold, and just loved to hunt. This was before folks were sending dogs to school, and you really just wanted a dog that would sit still in the blind and go get your birds. She was just an awesome dog and I can still see her breaking skim ice or just a spec out in the bay chasing down a crippled hairhead. She had one small flaw....she loved duck - not fish eaters or divers mind you - nobody would have cared if she ate a bufflehead...nope, she had a taste for greenheads and an overwhelming passion for tearing a breast out of a teal or sprig. She couldn't eat while swimming, so my job was to meet her at the bank. It got to the point where she would see me at the bank and simply say **** you and turn around and swim to the opposite shore, eat a few bites, then bring the rest back. She wasn't greedy, only took a couple bites and always left one good breast, but more than once we had to stop dad from making it her last retrieve. Either way, that was back in the lead shot days and her kidneys failed at about 9 years old, so maybe that was her comeuppance.

Funny thing - she wouldn't eat birds that landed on the ground - only ones she had to swim for. Still she was my first dog and I loved her...duck eatin' bitch that she was.
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