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post #1 of 13
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With 100's of herring waiting at base of why is there no water flowing? All the work done to help with access and no flow. Called phone # on sign. No reply.
Edited by Donny G - 4/2/13 at 5:30am
post #2 of 13

Maybe waiting for a moon cycle, accumulating runoff for steady flow on the ladder? Just a guess. Where we see then here they can't cross the dam until their is nearly an 8' high tide...  so their is only a small window to make it inland. The fish seem to be ok with that!

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Maybe waiting for a moon cycle, accumulating runoff for steady flow on the ladder? Just a guess. Where we see then here they can't cross the dam until their is nearly an 8' high tide...  so their is only a small window to make it inland. The fish seem to be ok with that!

fascinating. herring are really really cool. please let us know how the run turns out this year and if you have any pictures please show us.
post #4 of 13

I know in my town when they are not ready to begin counting the herring (they haven't set up the device to do so) they shut off the flow.

I don't if that is your case but hope it helps.
 

post #5 of 13
Hi
Not sure where you are located, but this Herring stuff takes alot of work. Up north they have much better herring awareness than here and many runs even have a "herring warden". If you let me know the name of it, I could probably help.
Building the fishways is wonderful, but seems like many are are ignored after completion. they get clogged up quick in spring with the runoff storms and debris.
They need alot of tending to and its up to people like you and other recreational fisherman that give a #$@t to stay on top and get local township public works or state fish and game folks aware and involved.
Cheers,
Paul
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Hi
Not sure where you are located, but this Herring stuff takes alot of work. Up north they have much better herring awareness than here and many runs even have a "herring warden". If you let me know the name of it, I could probably help.
Building the fishways is wonderful, but seems like many are are ignored after completion. they get clogged up quick in spring with the runoff storms and debris.
They need alot of tending to and its up to people like you and other recreational fisherman that give a #$@t to stay on top and get local township public works or state fish and game folks aware and involved.
Cheers,
Paul

 

We have one in the Trenton, NJ area, in Hamilton Twp., Gropp's Lake.  I'll have to check it out for flow (and see if fish use it). 

 

The course for the fish is:  Delaware River; Crosswick Creek; Doctors Creek; Gropp's Lake. 

post #7 of 13
Hey Red... How you been?
FYI- We have a viewing program going on if you are interested. River Herring Rescue on that social marketing site as well.
15 minutes a few times a week, at waters of your choice right near your house... we can send you a packet
email paulyfish@reeltherapy.com
thanks
Paul
post #8 of 13
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With 100's of herring waiting at base of why is there no water flowing? All the work done to help with access and no flow. Called phone # on sign. No reply.

Which specific ladder are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by Vermonter View Post

Which specific ladder are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by paulyfish View Post

Hi
Not sure where you are located, but this Herring stuff takes alot of work. Up north they have much better herring awareness than here and many runs even have a "herring warden". If you let me know the name of it, I could probably help.
Building the fishways is wonderful, but seems like many are are ignored after completion. they get clogged up quick in spring with the runoff storms and debris.
They need alot of tending to and its up to people like you and other recreational fisherman that give a #$@t to stay on top and get local township public works or state fish and game folks aware and involved.
Cheers,
Paul

He's talking about one located in CT. CT has had many issues in that we haven't had sufficient rain to justify maintenance of the ladders unfortunately. The water isn't high enough for the fish to move up the ladder because water levels are so low. Hopefully, we get rain soon to raise water a few inches.

I fished a small stream last night, 6-12" of water that stripers were chasing the herring in making them easy targets smile.gif OH YEAH! but unfortunately for the herring, once they reached the shallows, they still had no where to go. The fish ate well last night, and I'm sure they will be tonight as well. I haven't fished the ladder Donny G is talking about as it would be unethical, but I have visited the site. Here's hoping for rain
post #10 of 13
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He's talking about one located in CT. CT has had many issues in that we haven't had sufficient rain to justify maintenance of the ladders unfortunately. The water isn't high enough for the fish to move up the ladder because water levels are so low. Hopefully, we get rain soon to raise water a few inches.

I fished a small stream last night, 6-12" of water that stripers were chasing the herring in making them easy targets smile.gif OH YEAH! but unfortunately for the herring, once they reached the shallows, they still had no where to go. The fish ate well last night, and I'm sure they will be tonight as well. I haven't fished the ladder Donny G is talking about as it would be unethical, but I have visited the site. Here's hoping for rain

Ethics aside, pretty sure it is not legal to fish within 250' of a "fishway" in CT Only know of one place it is posted but the sign is fairly general and I don't think it is site specific. Maybe you know that and I miss the joke but if it saves you a ticket..or someone else... not sure it is in the anglers guide.

post #11 of 13
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Ethics aside, pretty sure it is not legal to fish within 250' of a "fishway" in CT Only know of one place it is posted but the sign is fairly general and I don't think it is site specific. Maybe you know that and I miss the joke but if it saves you a ticket..or someone else... not sure it is in the anglers guide.

The locations of the fishways determine the access one has to it. Some are built on coastal waterways, some on ponds/streams, some public, some private. Signs are posted per fishway for rules applying to that general area. There is no steadfast rule. Some of CT waters are stocked at or just below fishways with Atlantic Salmon in efforts to increase migratory sea run routes, and fishing is allowed 15' out from the base of the fishway. The head of the fishway would be gated off in these circumstances. I know that a lot of the fishing dams (Haddam Meadows) where they run the Northern PIke stocking program for CT has limited access 250 feet away from the base of the dam tho.

For reference tho, I don't fish fish ladder areas, but I do love going to watch the fish move up them smile.gif
post #12 of 13

The place I'm talking about is a tall man made dam that is coastal, and thus tidal at its base. 

Nothing wrong with fishing near a ladder IMO. I fish other places loaded with herring and no ladders.  Just pick a spot a little downstream and it's no different than fishing the free flowing river that was there in the first place. Plus, we are  not trying to catch the herring.

post #13 of 13

An aside:  the basics and more.

 

A fish ladder or a fishway is a structure designed to allow fish the opportunity to migrate upstream and continue their function as part of the river ecosystem. Fish ladders are appropriate when there are blocking structures preventing fish from migrating upstream to find suitable spawning structures. Effective passage is critical to the protection and recovery of many fish stocks.

 

Alewife, American eel and blueback herring are the target species for the ladder.  Alewives are a key ingredient in the coastal food chain and prime forage fish for striped bass and bluefish.

 

paulyfish has noted for us that, “Building the fishways is wonderful, but seems like many are ignored after completion ... they get clogged up quick in spring with the runoff storms and debris,” and that, “They need alot of tending to and it’s up to [interested people to become aware and] to get local township public works or state fish and game folks aware and involved.”

 

This is, in part, his suggestion in post #7; but additionally, dams without fish ladders are also beginning to be addressed by interested parties.  See   http://www.savetheriverherring.org/

 

River Herring Rescue – The Project

“River Herring Rescue is designed to address the short-term need to help river herring get over the obstacles they face, while working simultaneously to remove those obstacles over the medium to long term. A short-term “lift” is needed to ensure that the existing biomass of these species is maintained until it can increase once bycatch is reduced and river obstacles removed.

 

“A grass-roots, low cost, volunteer organizing effort will bring together individuals and people from a variety of interest groups to scoop and catch the river herring at river obstructions in early spring and “lift” them over to assist in getting them to desired spawning areas. The Herring Lift operation will also provide an opportunity to collect badly needed baseline data for science and add to existing data….”

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