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Thread Starter 

I can't remember how many years I have been hearing about a half ton diesel,it looks like it may really happen.

 

 

 

It's official: The Ram 1500 will be the only half-ton pickup to offer a small turbodiesel as one of its engine options. Set to go on sale by the third quarter of this year, the Ram 1500 will get the same small turbodiesel that's supposed to go into the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, which is the VM Motori 3.0L V-6 EcoDiesel rated at 240 horsepower and 420 lbs.-ft. of torque.

According to USA Today, Fred Diaz, CEO of Chrysler's Ram brand, said that customers have been asking for this and, according to some sales experts, the move is likely to add as many 10,000 sales annually. Pricing has not been announced but it's likely the diesel option will be more expensive than the Hemi premium engine option, meaning several thousands above the base 4.7L V-8/6-speed transmission combination. We expect the new ZF 8-speed transmission will be the standard transmission. 

No word yet on whether there will be a manual or automated-manual transmission option. 

This new engine option will make the Ram half-ton the first in the current segment to offer the torquey motor and it is likely to significantly help the lineup improve its fuel economy averages. Pricing and EPA MPG numbers will be released closer to the on-sale date, but fuel economy numbers for the Grand Cherokee, on average a few hundred pounds lighter than a Ram 1500, are 21 city/30 hwy (EPA estimates) for the 4x2 and 20 city/28 hwy for the 4x4. Those numbers are likely to be similar for the half-ton truck as well.

2014 VM Motori 3.0L V-6 engine II

Quick Specs

Type and Description            60-degree V-type, liquid cooled

Displacement                       182 cubic inches, 2988 cubic cm 

Bore x Stroke                       3.27 in. x 3.60 in., 83mm x 92mm

Valve System                       Chain-driven DOHC, 24-valves

Fuel Injection                        Common rail, solenoid injectors, 2000 bar

Block Construction                Iron block, aluminum heads

Compression Ratio                15.5:1

Assembly Plant                     VM Motori Cento, Ferrara, Italy

  2014 ZF 8-spd II

 Posted by Mark Williams

post #2 of 20
Sounds cool..gotta love diesel!!
post #3 of 20

Pretty sure GM has similar in works... was scheduled for 2014 model. I think GM  said the engine was designed to run with 8 speed automatic and manual gearbox will not be an option.

My British in-laws liked to harass me about how progressive they are with their small diesels... until I showed them that US EPA allows about one tenth the emissions they put out. I guess it all blows over to France and they don't care.

 

 

Sorry edit:

Memory is going I guess... GM planning v6 turbo gasoline engine with 8 speed auto. Claim milage to 20 or so with power of small v8.

WP


Edited by Woodpecker - 2/14/13 at 9:22pm
post #4 of 20
this could be cool. im a mopar fan, but i really dont have a lot of hope for it. will probably be a flop like the vm motori powered liberty. that could have been an awsome combo but it turned out to be a really high maintinence vehicle with all kinds of little quirks, and some major ones too. there are a lot of issues with them, no real support. parts are hard to find, and it seems like the dealers dont know squat. there is a following behind them, and there is a small group of people that have them pretty well figured out. i bought one for a project and the more i learned, i realized it was a better idea to just move on.
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I know nothing, even by reputation, of VM Motori as a diesel supplier. Do we have any user comment? Is this an engine that needs a urea injection system? Just curious.



So GM is going to add a turbo to a v-6. I wonder if they're doing that in-house or licensing something from Ford? The Volt hasn't set the auto world on fire, in terms of sales, but they've made a sizable financial commitment to the technology it uses, and I doubt they're ready to write it off just yet. Licensing a turbo system from someone else, or swapping technology rights, might be a lot easier. Woodpecker, is that turbogasser intended for a half ton P/U or for large sedans and SUVs?
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

I would have liked to see a Cummins used, but that may be going in a Nissan.

From Diesel Power Magazine;

 

Inside The VM Motori 3.0L V6 Diesel Engine

We Get Inside The First Potential 1/2 Ton Diesel Engine

Text By David Kennedy, Photography by David Kennedy
Diesel Power, August, 2012

As of press time we have heard word, and seen, that there are spy photos of the 2014 Ram 1500 floating around the internet. Rumor has it that the 2014 Ram 1500 in those photos is equipped with this very VM Motori 3.0L diesel engine. Stay tuned...

The 630T has the potential to make more than 600 hp in race trim. —Matt Trainham, Banks Powertrain Engineer
Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Complete Engine

In 2013, the diesels are coming! Our industry is poised to see more diesel-powered vehicles for sale in the United States than we’ve had since 1985. Of the dozen new diesels we expect to be able to purchase, the one powerplant we’re most excited to see is the 3.0L V-6 Jeep is going to offer in the ’13 Grand Cherokee. Why are we so excited about an engine made by the 65-year-old Italian company VM Motori? Well, there are rumors this diesel may also find its way into other Chrysler products, including the Ram 1500.

That’s significant because the more vehicles this engine can be adapted to, the cheaper the per-engine cost becomes. Oh, and we should mention one other thing: Fiat (Chrysler’s parent company) owns a 50 percent stake in VM Motori. So Chrysler should be able to keep the costs of this high-tech engine down to a level we can all afford.

Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Complete Engine
Overall, the Banks 630T version of this engine is a very tightly packaged powerplant that

No doubt some of you are now asking, “Who owns the other 50 percent?” General Motors does. Could that mean this engine may end up in GM products like the Silverado ½-ton? We think it may. Now you see why we’re so excited.

Unfortunately, no one at Chrysler or GM can talk about future products on the record. So we’ve never been able to see or drive a vehicle with this 3.0L V-6. That is, until we got a call from Gale Banks Engineering’s Banks Powertrain division. Banks has been working directly with VM Motori to engineer its own version of the 3.0L, codenamed the Banks 630T, for use in military and other specialty-use applications. Needless to say, we grabbed our cameras and headed over to Banks’ Azusa, California, facility. Check out what we saw.

Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Engine Dyno
As you read this, Banks is creating its own 268hp calibration for the 630T on an engine dy

 

Inside The Banks 630T V-6 Diesel



DISPLACEMENT: 3.0L (182 ci)
CONFIGURATION: 60-degree, even-fire V-6
ENGINE WEIGHT: 498 pounds
BORE AND STROKE: 83 mm x 92 mm (3.26 in. x 3.62 in.)
COMPRESSION RATIO: 16.5:1
ENGINE BLOCK: Compacted-graphite iron (CGI) casting that weighs 159 pounds, featuring four 14mm head bolts per cylinder
BEDPLATE: A one-piece, 35-pound assembly retains the crankshaft and ties the bottom of the block together with six 12mm bolts per main bearing
CRANKSHAFT: Forged 4140 steel with 74mm (2.91 in.) main bearing journals and 67.5mm (2.66 in.) connecting rod journals, externally balanced
CYLINDER HEAD: Aluminum castings with four valves per cylinder
VALVETRAIN: Dual overhead camshafts (DOHC) with roller finger followers and hydraulic lash adjustment
VALVE SIZE: 28.5mm (1.12 in.) intake, 25.4mm (1.00 in.) exhaust
BASE POWER RATING: 221 to 268 hp at 4,000 rpm
BASE TORQUE OUTPUT: 369 to 421 lb-ft at 2,000 rpm
MAXIMUM ENGINE SPEED: 4,800 rpm
FUEL SYSTEM: Bosch common-rail injection with a CP4.2 pump and CRIN 3.4 solenoid injectors capable of running up to 29,000 psi (2,000 bar) and seven injection events
TURBOCHARGER: Electronically controlled variable geometry with water-cooled ball-bearing cartridge in high-power applications

  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Gale Banks Engine Tag
    VM Motori’s 3.0L diesel is manufactured in Cento, Italy and is available in various power
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Engine Block
    The 630T’s 60-degree V-6 block is made from high-strength compacted-graphite. On an engine
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Cylinders
    The block is similar in architecture to what is arguably the best part of the 6.0L Power S
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Main Bearing Web
    When flipped over, you can see the large main-bearing webs that are cast into the reinforc
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Oil Jet
    Each of the cylinders is equipped with its own oil jet to cool the bottom of the pistons.
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Crank Shaft
    Compared to the Cummins inline cranks you’ve seen, this V-6 crank is compact and lightweig
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Bedplate
    Here’s the bedplate that holds the crank to the block. By making this one piece, the 3.0L
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Windage Tray
    The term “windage” is used to describe the friction of an object moving through a fluid. I
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Oil Pan
    The 3.0L’s oil pan is a piece of cast-aluminum beauty. Using aluminum aids in cooling the
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Oil Pickup Tube
    As diesel owners, we are familiar with exhaust gas temperature (EGT) that gives us a sense
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Pistons And Rods
    These connecting rods feature Cummins-like rod caps that are so large their parting lines
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Wristpins
    To reduce mass yet retain strength, the rods feature keystone-shaped ends that connect to
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Piston
    The pistons are made from cast-aluminum and have large, blunt lips on the top of the bowls
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Heads
    The aluminum heads on this engine are unlike anything we’re used to in this industry. The
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Injectors
    The engine uses Bosch CRIN 3.4 injectors that are clamped through the valve covers using t
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Intake Port
    Banks engineer Matt Trainham told us the heads have more flow potential than the Duramax a
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Exhaust Ports
    From this angle, you can see the siamesed exhaust ports, and the area where the injectors
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Ports
    Even as cast from the factory, the ports have very smooth and consistent shapes that are f
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Cam Shafts
    There are four camshafts in the engine. The exhaust cams are driven off the front of the e
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Valve Covers
    Plastic valve covers are used to reduce weight and provide a layer of sound insulation in
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Engine Front Cover
    The engine’s three-piece front cover is cast aluminum, and it ties the front of the oil pa
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Engine Front Cover
    As installed on the engine, the cover acts as a mounting system for the injection pump, va
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Vacuum Pump
    For vehicles that need vacuum to run the climate controls or brake system, the 3.0L can be
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Oil Filter
    In the 240hp version, the oil cooler and oil filter element are mounted high on the driver
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Bosch Cp4 Pump
    The 3.0L uses a Bosch common-rail injection system that is based on the twin-pumping eleme
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Fuel Rail
    One of the reasons Banks Powertrain chose this engine as its next platform was the fact it
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Garrett Turbo
    On the 240hp version of this engine, Banks uses a Garrett variable-geometry turbo mounted
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Intake Manifold
    That turbo will send compressed intake air through an intercooler and then into this two-p
  • Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Automind Stand Alone Computer
    Getting an all-new engine like this to run in a standalone configuration requires a specia
Vm Motori Banks 630T Diesel V6 Engine Gale Banks Looking At Sidewinder System On Gm Diesel

Banks & The 3.0L VM Motori V-6 engine
Since 1976 Gale Banks Engineering has been involved in building and supplying engines to the Military. During those 36 years every Gale Banks Military engine has had one dominant feature; they've all been turbocharged.

And because the Department of Defense is pushing our armed forces to use a single fuel (known as JP-8, which is very similar to diesel), Banks' current programs all revolve around diesel engines.

Banks' current military V-8 programs are based on the 6.6L Duramax long-block with with Banks external components and engine management. Higher power versions use Banks internal components as well. According to Banks, its defense customers use these engines in vehicles up to 30,000 pounds GCWR. Banks has also gotten back to its 6.2L/6.5L roots with a new power upgrade for 6.5L motivated AM General HMMWVs.

But for wheeled-vehicle applications used inrapid surgical strikes, a lightweight and high-speed diesel is required. That’s where the VM Motori engine from Italy comes in to play.

The guys at VM are located in the high-performance automotive equivalent of the Silicon Valley, with Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Ducati close by. The design of its V-6 is intended for firing pressures up to 2,940-psi, and the engine freely revs to 5,000 rpm. VM Motori has a passion for its engine designs, and according to Gale Banks it was, “the excellence of this engine [which]convinced me that it would be a rugged basis for what I have in mind for these new Special Operations vehicles.”

Banks went on to say, “We had first fire in our engine test cells on Friday May 4th, 2012 and my first impression was about the sound...this thing is sweet! The low-end response is excellent and it revs freely, which worries me. We've already designed a high-rpm capable aluminum intake manifold for it but, our Banks AutoMind diesel engine controller is only good to 7,800 rpm in its current form.”

A Banks version of the 3.0L VM Motori V-6 engine will be also be available to the general public as well, according to Banks. “Our initial build will be 240 hp and close to 500 lb ft with an engine weight under 500 pounds,” reports Banks.

When asked what other applications we might see this engine in, Banks told us, “We have a stepped power development plan in the works and racing versions will emerge as well. I can't wait to put one of these things in my '06 Jeep Wrangler!”

SOURCES
Gale Banks Engineering
546 Duggan Avenue

Azusa
CA  91702
800-398-2590
www.bankspower.com
 
 
post #9 of 20
Good article, we can follow it up a bit. VM appears to have been around for awhile, does anyone here know of their engines from any other application?

No mention of urea injection. "Surgical strike" engine, oh, spare me. We'll see a connection with SOCOM on diapers any minute.

There's nothing wrong or inept with ZF as a company, it's a mild surprise to see a diesel transmission in anything Chrysler that isn't an Allison.

Woodpecker, given the GM connection, you might be right yet that this powerplant will turn up in a GM vehicle. Perhaps the current crop of automotive diesels in the US are just too big for anything half-ton or smaller?
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by BrianBM View Post

I know nothing, even by reputation, of VM Motori as a diesel supplier. Do we have any user comment? Is this an engine that needs a urea injection system? Just curious.



So GM is going to add a turbo to a v-6. I wonder if they're doing that in-house or licensing something from Ford? The Volt hasn't set the auto world on fire, in terms of sales, but they've made a sizable financial commitment to the technology it uses, and I doubt they're ready to write it off just yet. Licensing a turbo system from someone else, or swapping technology rights, might be a lot easier. Woodpecker, is that turbogasser intended for a half ton P/U or for large sedans and SUVs?

It was meant for 1500 pickup. I looked into it last January and press releases were circulating that it was planned for 2014 or 2015. I think the 8 speed tranny had as much to do with efficiency as the engine. Probably a very expensive option. They may have scrapped the idea  but I have not look into it since then. I bought a small v8 and figured I could sell it if something that could really save some fuel appeared. I would rather see a small proven diesel but that was the news at the time.

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I guess the stepless or continuously variable transmissions aren't suitable yet for higher-powered applications. For fuel efficiency, transmissions with increasing numbers of shift points sure have been proliferating for the past few years. Eight steps in a ZF transmission ... well, why not? It seems a lot to ask of a transmission dealing with diesel torque pulse, but if it works well - why, great.
post #12 of 20
they put the vm motori diesel in jeep liberties i think from 05-06. might have been made 3 years. they only made about 15,000 for sale here.
when they were pretty new they had a problem with the torque converters going bad and taking the trans with it. instead of fixing it they reflashed the computer taking power away. ive been after one for a few years but the prices were just starting to come down. i found one as a project, it ran but needed an engine. they have a pretty strong following, so when i found it i had to jump on it. people were just about banging the guys door down from the time i agreed to buy it till he got all the paperwork straightened out. so i finally got one after wanting one all that time. i started to come up with a plan. i found junkyard engines are very expensive for it, but i had plenty of room to still come out ahead. plan was to find a low mile engine.
then i started reading about all the other issues they have. they are a pain to work on, so much that a timing belt job is about 1800 has to be done by 100,000 miles or will pretty mcuh self destruct. a water pump would probably cost the same, its about the same job. actually more work than the timing belt. i found the torque converter should really be upgraded, with a 7-800$ unit. the engine and transmission computers should be reflashed to get the power back at 500 each, gaining efficency and performance. there were emission devices added to the engine to sell it here, which seem to do more harm than good over the life of the engine. a lot of people remove them. over time they actually will cause engine damadge. the factory recomended oil has been proven to be inadequate. the fuel filter head needs to be upgraded, 150$ part. aluminum engine oil pan has a poorly designed drain plug which commonly strips out. the turbo is a variable vane design, the wrong oil along with the emisions control devices will damage the turbo, it will quickly run the engine out of oil if you dont notice it, and wipe out the bottom end. if you catch it in time great, you can buy a new turbo, about 1500. they cant be rebuilt. the intercooler hoses go bad and are about a 300$ part. common gas engine codes will show up with problems, but they arent related to a diesel engine, often can have nothing to do with the actual problem. apparently there are no dealers familiar with the vm motori diesel. i guess since it was a low production unit they didnt go out of thier way to train techs. parts availaibility is a problem you cant really walk into a local parts store and get too many parts for it. even the dealer can has a limited supply of engine parts. the part prices are crazy. guys tried VM motori usa for support with no luck. there are some suppliers from surope selling parts on ebay, and you can call them direct, the parts are still very expensive but much cheaper than dealer, but it can take a while to get them. your jeep breaks, you better have a back up for a few weeks.
i decided i better just stick with my gas liberty, put it for sale and got my money back out of it within 3 days. mine actually blew the original engine up at 160-180,000. a used 32,000 mile engine was put in and it through a rod through the block shortly after. diesels used to be know to run forever. that kind of mileage can be had out of almost any gas engine these days.
hopefully they get their act together with this deal, i know there are a lot of people pissed off at vm.
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 

After reading JD's post,it sounds like VM is the Ferrari of diesels. Why is the motor so sought after in the used market?

 

Maybe the Nissan will happen?

 

"Nissan will give its Titan full-size pickup truck a much needed revamp, that will arrive in 2014."
 

post #14 of 20
Well .... as with any new engine and powertrain, I think it would be prudent to let the regulars on some other website hep Chrysler debug the thing before we buy it here. Even then, if Chrysler doesn't intend to make parts easily available, you'd better be a damn good shade-tree mechanic to keep it happy.
post #15 of 20
Nissan has plans for frontier to have a diesel in 2015. They have them in frontier s in south America and Australia markets since 2011
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