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post #16 of 53
I saw the Avids at Icast. Im not crazy about the color of the blank. Its a red with a ton of metalic flake that makes it looks "BEDAZZLED". Its built with K guides. All in all I was not impressed but you cant make judgement by wiggling a rod at a show or at a shop.
As far as te reel goes the Saragosa has been proven in all sizes even catching tuna in the larger sizes. That would be my choice if i was looking for a mid priced spinner
post #17 of 53
Concspt guides as in low riders or the layout? Is the blank the same action only in a di fferent color or all new?
post #18 of 53
Thread Starter 




Integrated Poly Curve® (IPC®) tooling technology.
Premium, high-modulus SCIII graphite.
Designed to provide surf anglers maximum casting distance.
Fuji® K-Series Concept Tangle Free guides with Alconite® rings and black frames. Ideal for super braid, mono and fluorocarbon lines, the sloped frame and ring “shed” tangles before they become a problem.
Fuji® MN style top.
Off-set, slim-profile ferrules on two-piece models provide one-piece performance.
Fuji® DNPS reel seat.
Custom cork tape handle with machined delrin trim pieces.
Two coats of Flex Coat slow-cure finish.
Lifetime limited warranty backed by
St. Croix Superstar Service.
Designed and handcrafted in Park Falls, U.S.A.


Avid Series® Surf Spinning Rods:
Model Length Power Action PCS Line Weight Lure Weight Rod Weight Handle Price

*AVSS70MLF 7' ML Fast 1 6 - 12 3/8 - 1 5.6 1 $ 230
*AVSS70MF 7' M Fast 1 8 - 17 5/8 - 2 7.2 1 $ 240
*AVSS80MMF 8' M Mod. Fast 1 8 - 17 3/4 - 3 8.0 2 $ 250
*AVSS90MMF2 9' M Mod. Fast 2 10 - 20 1 - 4 10.4 3 $ 300
*AVSS96MHF2 9'6" MH Fast 2 12 - 25 2 - 6 11.3 3 $ 320
*AVSS100MF2 10' M Fast 2 10 - 20 1 - 4 11.4 3 $ 320
*AVSS110MHF2 11' MH Fast 2 15 - 40 3 - 8 13.3 4 $ 350
*AVSS120HMF2 12' H Mod. Fast 2 20 - 60 6 - 16 19.5 5 $ 380

Avid Series® Surf Casting Rods:
Model Length Power Action PCS Line Weight Lure Weight Rod Weight Handle Price

*AVSC100MF2 10' M Fast 2 10 - 20 1 - 4 10.7 6 $ 320
*AVSC110MHF2 11' MH Fast 2 15 - 40 3 - 8 12.9 7 $ 350
*AVSC120HMF2 12' H Mod. Fast 2 20 - 60 6 - 16 19.0 8 $ 380

*New for 2013


Looks like a 70/30 Split on the 2pc Rods


Steve
post #19 of 53
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Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post

Concept guides like the Legend. Cork tape handle. New blank. Candy Apple red...

Not low riders like the legend, Fuji K's...
post #20 of 53
Thread Starter 


Here are the area's of concern and the reason for the delay. All in the Handle., I don't think they liked the end cap design as it did look like the butt cap didn't completely mold around the cork tape and there was a gap or sand trap so to speak.. Then on the longer models they are adding a larger reel seat as there were some complaints of some of the larger reels not fitting it right or at all..


Steve
post #21 of 53
Thanks for all the info Steve. Looks like a new approach which is always re.freshing
post #22 of 53
Hey doesn't it say sealed HT-100 drag system in the specs?
It actually doesn't say sealed for the reel it says " water tight"...
Is there a difference? I was planning on buying one of these as well.
post #23 of 53
Should make for an interesting conversation at the Penn booth at next weeks fishing expo
post #24 of 53
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Originally Posted by NIGHT STRIKES View Post

You got it ,, here is the skinny..
Not sure if you are going to like it though but it comes from a very reputable source..
During the Carolina winter tuna bite this year the 10500 was selected to do battle but the anglers didn't want to use it because it did not fair well or handle much smaller amberjacks. The reason was the drag was terrible and the handle design was uncomfortable they said. They even questioned why just putting a gasket around the body but not having the main shaft or drag sealed how this can be considered a sealed reel. Then they had to open one up - reason > it was dropped and no longer worked. They found the crosswind gear was screwed into the frame and it sheared right off and in order to fix you would need a whole new frame to get it working again.. . Apparently this is a new design from PENN.
Now take this for what its worth to you and I am posting this because if there are known issues maybe they can be addressed or maybe they already have been , I don't know.
So you might want to contact one of the PENN Reps to get a better understanding if you have any questions about this reel...
Again,, my first impression was a positive one but that is far from actually fishing it and i thought it was only right to post what I have been told from guys in the know..
Steve


Good morning......Now please take into account I'm just an old repair guy here going by what I see and have worked on through the years here at Penn. As much as I know about the new series of reels, the 10500 reel has been tested and rated at 40 lbs. of drag pressure which I think is great for a reel of that size.The testing has been done by some very well respected Pro-Staffers and field testers that we have here working with the new Penn equipment. I've also understood the design to be water -tight against water intrusion which to me would mean that under the most extreme of conditions, that a small amount of water may somehow get inside the reel, but never to the point where the working parts of the reel would be affected or affect the performance of the reel itself.Again, maybe I'm just dealing with a very simple repair guy kind of mentality! Also, with the crosswind gear being adhered to the housing with a screw, Penn has had that type of design for quite awhile with our larger spinners which would include the Fierce, Sargus and Battle series of reels.....which I think is a very nice line of reels that have held up well since being introduced a few years ago..If in the future anyone may have questions about design, performance or service of reels,please feel free to contact us. We're here to help in any manner that we can. And since we've been a part of this forum, we have gained an incredible amount of knowledge from it's members too.I hope I have helped in some manner this morning.....

Take care.........Tom

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post #25 of 53
Night Strikes - in a follow up to Tom's response. We sent 1 SSV10500 to Carolina this past winter to be fished by Greg Cundik from Fisherman's Headquarters, it was a prototype (the step before a true fieldtest reel). The reason I know only 1 reel made it into this fishery was because I sent it and it was my only sample. Yes the drag was poor and the handle knob was uncomfortable, you are right about that, but again it was a prototype. Keep in mind the reason we send reels into the field to be fished is to find their weaknesses, so we can make changes if needed. Based on the feedback we made some changes, tooled a new handle knob, tweaked a few things in the drag system, standard proceedure for any new reel. We shipped the true fieldtest 10500 reels out after the carolina fish moved north (May), and have had very good results with them on all kinds of species (Marlin, YF and BF Tuna, Grouper, GTs, and too many other species to count). Check with your sources and see how the fieldtest 10500 reels are performing, of the 25 reels we sent into the field I've had 1 returned for service, the rest are still on the water and getting great reviews.

Gearbox is watertight, not fully sealed like the Torque. The difference is that the main shaft does not have a seal on it.
Drag system on the SSV is sealed, 3 seals to be exact, 1 on the drag knob and 2 underneath the spool.
The screw in oscillation is not a new design, been used for many years without issue.

Mike

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post #26 of 53
Thread Starter 
Mike & Tom,,

Thank you for coming on this thread and updating us.. Apprecaite it.. This is what makes this website #1 in my book where you can get first hand reviews from guys out in the field and from the companies involved and to really give us a good feel for the new equipment hitting the market...


Steve
post #27 of 53
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Originally Posted by NIGHT STRIKES View Post

Mike & Tom,,
Thank you for coming on this thread and updating us.. Apprecaite it.. This is what makes this website #1 in my book where you can get first hand reviews from guys out in the field and from the companies involved and to really give us a good feel for the new equipment hitting the market...
Steve



No problem......Have a great weekend!!!

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post #28 of 53
Mike and Tom,

Thanks very much for your feedback. I guess only time will tell with this reel like any other reel. I really appreciate SOL having you on this site to address any concerns that we all may have regarding your new and existing equipment. One suggestion would be to potentially document all of the revisions that have been made based on prototype feedback. Full disclosure is always looked upon in a good light regardless of the information. If you tell people about issues before it's "discovered" then the customer will feel a lot more confident and comfortable dealing with your company. It's all about integrity and I believe you all have it.

Thank you,

ErikT
post #29 of 53
Mmmmmmmmmm new Penns and Avids icon24.gif
post #30 of 53
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Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post

I am less amped about the reel and more excited about the rod. Truthfully I think the rod deserves a better reel than the spinfisher. That reel is going to sell like hot cakes, but it is BY NO MEANS an end all be all spinning reel for the surf. I would look hard at the Saltist 4500. The rod could carry a VS or ZB with its head held high. It will be better than 90% of the surf rods off the rack out there.


Nobody knows how good this new reel is going to be. If it performs anywhere close to all it's hype it may very well be the be all end all especially for the price.


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Originally Posted by johnnycakes View Post

I like everyone else have been waiting for a a blue collar sealed reel. If the spinfisher is actually at home underwater(or at least cumfy with heavy splashing) and durable this reel will really make some noise in the market place at that price. The avid has been making a buzz but I haven't seen one yet. Is it the same blank just updated with K guides and shrink wrap? Is it going to stay 50/50? I have noticed the 70/30 preference in the newer models and was curious.



It's a brand new blank and it retains the 70/30 split.

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Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post

Concept guides like the Legend. Cork tape handle. New blank. Candy Apple red...


The only thing the new guides and the Legend Lowrider guides have in common are that they are both an anti tangle frame design.


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Originally Posted by NIGHT STRIKES View Post

I really did like the feel of the Cork Tape again in my hands as I have always like the wet grip you can get with it.. The St.Croix rep also mentioned this rod is designed for both Braid and Mono lines.. Still not giving up my Legends though wink.gif
Steve


Even though most of today's surfcasters fish braid i still believe that St.Croix chose the K design to be able to say these new rods are designed for both which they are taking advantage of in their advertising. There is still a good percentage of guys who won't purchase rods with Lowrider type frame designs even if they have been proven to work OK.
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