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Splicing braid to mono without a knot?

post #1 of 33
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Ive been looking around at different ways of splicing a mono shock leader to the main line and I found this video ( I hope its not against any rules to post this link)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cslKaI8JIp0    

 

In the video he is splicing 200 lb mono to 300 lb braid using a needle... Does anyone know if this process works with lighter line? Lets say.. 50 lb power pro and 60 lb ande mono? or something similar to this?

 

Im new to all this so I figured I should ask all you experienced saltwater fishermen before going out and buying a needle and any of the other tools necessary..

 

Thanks in advance!

 

- Matt M.

post #2 of 33
It doesn't work for all braid. You need to use Hollow Core Braid in order to use knotless splices.
post #3 of 33
Jerry Brown Hollow core is one of the MFG that carrys Hollow Core line. But the smallest pound test is 60lb
post #4 of 33
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Originally Posted by Mattymo92 View Post

Lets say.. 50 lb power pro and 60 lb ande mono? or something similar to this?

This is precisely what I have researched and worked on for the past two years. Initially, Sergio and I were trying to make hollow core/needle insertion work with the 60# braid and 60 # mono combination. Needle insertion into the lightest hollow core braid (60#) is akin to brain surgery. No one would want to do this while surf fishing. Additionally, hollow 60# braid is so incredibly limp that when in a wave wash a slack line would tie itself into knots !

The solution is to weave regular solid braid over the top of mono which in essence creates the same thing as a hollow core splice. The best knot I've found for this is the Sebile knot. After about a dozen practices you will be able to tie this knot in fishing situations, After about 25 practices you will be able to tie it quickly under all conditions (even in the dark). By far the best way to learn this knot is with the Youtube video from Salty Shores. .....with one important modification. When using lighter line lines (like 50# braid/60# mono) the first crossing wrap of the braid will scissors right through 60# mono. I rectify this by starting the knot with four simple overhand wraps of the braid over this mono. This provides a cushion effect and eliminates this problem. Also, at the finish of the knot, it's best to limit the overhand knots to two turns. Three turns will many times prematurely cinch before they are pulled down. It's important to live a slightly long tag end of both the braid and mono (@3/8 inch) because the knot will elongate slightly under the first several high stresses. A drop of super glue on the finishing overhand knots only will help ensure that the finishing overhand knots don't untie (they are under no tension).

This line connection beats any swivel connections I've tried. It's enabled me to go from 50# braid to 30# braid while fishing for big roosterfish, crevalle, etc.. That line diameter reduction has given me the extra casting yards that are very important in tropical Pacific surf fishing. You also never have to worry about cracking into your tip guide with a metal swivel. It's very durable and I've sometimes I've used a single knot (no retying) for over a week of hardcore Pacific surf fishing. I've introduced this line connection to lots of guests at my fishing grounds and many of them have carried it over to their home waters. - HPD

BTW - you can do a very effective braid line splice by tying this knot onto both ends of a short length (6-12 inches) of mono.

494
post #5 of 33

i went to 2 seminars recently, hosted by noted anglers who everyone has heard of.  they have two very different styles of fishing but i remembered 2 very important points,  they both use fireline, and they both use swivels between line and leader 

post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by flytyingguy1 View Post

Jerry Brown Hollow core is one of the MFG that carrys Hollow Core line. But the smallest pound test is 60lb

It comes in 40. Not sure if its realistically spliceable though.
post #7 of 33
Todd, This is my second year using the sebile knot and I love it. I really like the small profile and the ability to cast it though the guides. I use a longer leader when fishing from a elevated surface. It allows for me to grab a 50# mono leader instead of braid. Ive noticed too many guys trying to use a boga from a rock while holding a 10' rod in the other hand.
post #8 of 33
Is there a problem with twist when not using a swivel?
post #9 of 33
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys! Alot of helpful info here! I think im going to try this sebile knot and see how it works for me. I appreciate all the help.

 

- Matt M.

post #10 of 33
watched the video. one of the most informative and simple presentation that I've ever seen when dealing with knots.
post #11 of 33
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Originally Posted by flytyingguy1 View Post

Jerry Brown Hollow core is one of the MFG that carrys Hollow Core line. But the smallest pound test is 60lb

40lb is the smallest hollow core that Jerry Brown makes.smile.gif
post #12 of 33
HappyWave.gif HPD

Please give us your thoughts why you prefer the sebile knot over the alberto knot.

I always appreciate reading your comments. smile.gif


Mattymo92:

Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5603CZVu7M
Edited by bunnymoney - 4/29/12 at 2:36pm
post #13 of 33
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Originally Posted by bunnymoney View Post

HappyWave.gif HPD
Please give us your thoughts why you prefer the sebile knot over the alberto knot.


I have used the Alberto knot in the past and it's a very good knot. But, I'm not so sure you can call it a purely finger trap knot because it is slid down the running line and cinched down upon itself. Therein lays the difficulty of it. It somewhat resists the draw down and if everything isn't perfectly drawn down it can be inconsistent in it's strength. It takes many more wraps for braid to grip mono in what I consider a true finger trap fashion.

The Sebile knot uses @ 20 wraps that truly grip the mono and it is not drawn down into a compact form. If you did that many wraps with an Alberto knot you couldn't draw it down. In fact, the Sebile is somewhat stretched out along the mono and it basically immediately grips the mono (no real draw down). Because of this, it's not dependent on a good draw down and it's extremely consistent.

Which is stronger.....an Alberto knot or a Sebile? Find out for yourself. It's kind of a contest of the champions because they are both excellent. Tie an Alberto knot on one end of a length of line and a Sebile on the other end. See which breaks first. Do it 10 times. I think they are about equal in tying difficulty/ease.

Please remember that knot strength is only important when strains are near the tensile strength of the line. 50# braid is great stuff for lots of reasons and even a 60% strength knot will do a fine job when using it. I'd be happy with many knots including the ever popular Palomar knot when using 50# braid for basically all surf fishing applications. But, the knot gets crucial when very powerful fish are pulling very hard on 30# (and less) braid. - HPD
Edited by High Plains Drifter - 4/29/12 at 5:12pm
post #14 of 33
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by bunnymoney View Post

HappyWave.gif HPD
Please give us your thoughts why you prefer the sebile knot over the alberto knot.
I always appreciate reading your comments. smile.gif
Mattymo92:
Take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5603CZVu7M

 

Bunnymoney, The link didnt work.. It just went to a non functioning youtube video.. :(

 

- Matt M.

post #15 of 33

i just use a bimini and a windon the knots are small enuff i can cast with them

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