fish-on Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.**********/petitions/the-us-senate-remove-the-orv-rule-and-provide-free-and-open-access Let's all sign the petition to keep beaches open. Hope this works!!! Can we also pin this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish-on Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Sorry...this is more appropriate link http://www.**********/petitions/the-us-senate-remove-the-orv-rule-and-provide-free-and-open-access links are the same...i also just edited the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve in Mass Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Can we also pin this? Done SANDSURFSUN 1 "You know the Bill of Rights is serving its purpose when it protects things you wish it didn't." "You can no longer be oppressed if you are not afraid anymore - Unknown" SOL Member #174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish-on Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 This should actually be "stuck" on all fishing related forums...at least Main, Beach Buggy, and all regional forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ive tried to sing 3 times now.......alwasy get an error. its a worthy cause though, id like to get our beaches back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve in Mass Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ive tried to sing 3 times now.......alwasy get an error. its a worthy cause though, id like to get our beaches back. Hmmm, John, just did it with no issues........ "You know the Bill of Rights is serving its purpose when it protects things you wish it didn't." "You can no longer be oppressed if you are not afraid anymore - Unknown" SOL Member #174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthingt Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by John M Ive tried to sing 3 times now.......alwasy get an error. its a worthy cause though, id like to get our beaches back. Keep trying and share the link as well! No issue here and/or the others I have had sign it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 This should actually be "stuck" on all fishing related forums...at least Main, Beach Buggy, and all regional forums. Negative, we don't "stick" online petitions here - much less cross post them all over the site. Online petitions are feel good petitions - they make folks feel like they are helping when an email to the appropriate legislators would make much, much more difference. Online petitions carry close to zero weight - they are too easily manipulated and very rarely even submitted to the proper folks anyway. I'm leaving this one stuck in this forum, but please don't cross post it. If 1% of the folks who sign this online petition would shoot an email to the appropriate legislators, it would do a lot more good for the cause. Ask your legislators how much credibility and weight they give online petitions before investing in them too much. Thanks. TimS Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere. Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthingt Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by TimS Negative, we don't "stick" online petitions here - much less cross post them all over the site. Online petitions are feel good petitions - they make folks feel like they are helping when an email to the appropriate legislators would make much, much more difference. Online petitions carry close to zero weight - they are too easily manipulated and very rarely even submitted to the proper folks anyway. I'm leaving this one stuck in this forum, but please don't cross post it. If 1% of the folks who sign this online petition would shoot an email to the appropriate legislators, it would do a lot more good for the cause. Ask your legislators how much credibility and weight they give online petitions before investing in them too much. Thanks. TimS Understood for the no sticky on the main site, but... How about a little support for a good fight and further notification to the many that are not in it yet? I have sent emails to my legislators, local and abroad news stations, donated money and time, etc. and most importantly have suggested to the many that they do same. My apologies in advance for perhaps questioning this, but are you/have you given up on this worthwhile fight? I see this as an excellent avenue to spread the gospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Understood for the no sticky on the main site, but... How about a little support for a good fight and further notification to the many that are not in it yet? I have sent emails to my legislators, local and abroad news stations, donated money and time, etc. and most importantly have suggested to the many that they do same. My apologies in advance for perhaps questioning this, but are you/have you given up on this worthwhile fight? I see this as an excellent avenue to spread the gospel Chris, I support the "good fight" if you mean the fight against those that wish to remove or unfairly limit beach access. My concern, every time I see folks investing much emotion and time in an online petition, I feel too many people don't realize that online petitions are politically useless. They are hosted on sites that sell advertising - so they make them look nice and official and they make folks think there is something to be gained from the online petition - but the truth is, politicians ignore them. A handful of emails carry a lot more weight with politicians than an online petition with thousands of signatures. Don't take my word for it, ask the politicians who this will be submitted to - does this petition have an end date and a clear process for who will submit the petition to the politicians...and when they will do so? I support the "good fight", I just hate to see people putting so much into an online petition because politicians do not consider them Often, they accomplish the opposite effect - people feel like they've done something by signing an online petition - that prevents them from doing something that would have an effect on the politicians like sending an email or fax. TimS Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere. Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthingt Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by TimS Chris, I support the "good fight" if you mean the fight against those that wish to remove or unfairly limit beach access. My concern, every time I see folks investing much emotion and time in an online petition, I feel too many people don't realize that online petitions are politically useless. They are hosted on sites that sell advertising - so they make them look nice and official and they make folks think there is something to be gained from the online petition - but the truth is, politicians ignore them. A handful of emails carry a lot more weight with politicians than an online petition with thousands of signatures. Don't take my word for it, ask the politicians who this will be submitted to - does this petition have an end date and a clear process for who will submit the petition to the politicians...and when they will do so? I support the "good fight", I just hate to see people putting so much into an online petition because politicians do not consider them Often, they accomplish the opposite effect - people feel like they've done something by signing an online petition - that prevents them from doing something that would have an effect on the politicians like sending an email or fax. TimS Understood and understand where your coming from as I am there more or less there myself. I do see more exposure as being a good thing however and support it as much as possible especially during an election year tis all. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Understood and understand where your coming from as I am there more or less there myself. I do see more exposure as being a good thing however and support it as much as possible especially during an election year tis all. Chris Chris, I agree, getting people to understand what is at stake, as well as providing them with some manner to be heard, is very important. Getting them to contact, even by email, their legislators, is a great step TimS Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere. Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish-on Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Negative, we don't "stick" online petitions here - much less cross post them all over the site. Online petitions are feel good petitions - they make folks feel like they are helping when an email to the appropriate legislators would make much, much more difference. Online petitions carry close to zero weight - they are too easily manipulated and very rarely even submitted to the proper folks anyway. I'm leaving this one stuck in this forum, but please don't cross post it. If 1% of the folks who sign this online petition would shoot an email to the appropriate legislators, it would do a lot more good for the cause. Ask your legislators how much credibility and weight they give online petitions before investing in them too much. Thanks. TimS I understand what you are saying. I'm not a politically savvy guy so I thought that this petition would be helpful. I kinda felt excited and useful when I signed it...now not so much. I still hope that something can be done to hopefully reverse some of the actions happening at this seashore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthingt Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by fish-on I understand what you are saying. I'm not a politically savvy guy so I thought that this petition would be helpful. I kinda felt excited and useful when I signed it...now not so much. I still hope that something can be done to hopefully reverse some of the actions happening at this seashore. "IF" nothing else it is about getting the word out to all those that do not know about it and a call to action to all those that do. Ladies and gentleman this IS an election year in case some of you have forgotten this? OUR vote matters, OUR opinion matters, OUR voice matters... Let it be heard by as many as possible ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reel gambler Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I too, like Chris, have written, faxed, and even had meetings with the politicians. It goes nowhere, believe me. But if you guys want think politicians are gonna help, hold your breath. Been four years now and not even a hearing...look at the hearing that just happened in regards to Chincoteague. Those guys deserve at least a thank you letter for their fortitude to actually grill USFWS. They could have done better, but they are politicians... I doubt an online petition is gonna get it done either. If we are talking civil disobedience count me in. Other than that, keep writing those letters fellas. I aint done fighting either, and have not given up but the road that got us here is not working. How many times have we heard from CHAPA that something big is in the works, or we cant talk about it, or we are gonna take the high road. I believe that the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result, pretty much exactly what CHAPA has been doing. They did file a lawsuit though which I give them a big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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