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That's right, it is now time.
It has been an odd few months so let's see if we can bring some life back to our home.

For anyone who has forgotten, here is a recap of the past few weeks.

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Calendar

June 24-25: NHL Entry Draft in St. Paul, Minnesota
July 1: Start of free agent signing period
Oct. 6: Start of 2011-12 regular season
Nov. 5: Hall of Fame Game (Boston @ Toronto)
Nov. 7: Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
Jan. 2, 2012: NHL Winter Classic (Rangers @ Flyers)
Jan. 28-29: All-Star Weekend in Ottawa
Apr. 7: Last day of regular season

Ok Jackasses, have at it.
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It's about time. The idiots have been getting restless.
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GO LEAFS GO!

CAN'T WAIT FOR THE START OF THE SEASON!
post #4 of 52269
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It will go down as one of the most lopsided trades, ever biggrin.gif

Brain surgeon Burke now looking to jettison another one of his countless mulligans in Minusarek.
All praise the cap floor and those that need to reach it.
post #5 of 52269
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the timmay conn smythe bobble head has been shipped beers.gif
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"Cap Geek says that 16 of the league's teams are currently short of the salary floor of $48.3 million. Some of those, like the Canucks, Leafs and Rangers are close and will likely hurdle that with ease even before July 1. But there are seven teams currently below $40 million against the cap, and some of them are miles away from reaching the minimum"
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What We Learned (Draft Winners and Losers Edition)
from yahoo

Boston Bruins: Winners. Dougie Hamilton not only has the second-most Canadian name in history (behind Gordie Howe), but he's also a big and very good defenseman. One has to wonder, though, how good Chiarelli's going to look next year when he has to start using his own picks again. tongue.gif

New York Islanders: Winners. Everyone seems to think Ryan Strome is going to be an absolute player in the league in the very near future. Plus look at their goaltending situation this season and tell me they're not picking in the top-5 next year

New York Rangers: Losers. You know it's not a good thing when the team reads a player's name and he looks around like "Wait, really?" Then points to himself, blinking in disbelief, for 10 seconds. Then looks around to see if there's another J.T. Miller in the building. Then laughs because he thinks it's a prank. Then goes up and puts on the jersey tentatively because he thinks a big mechanical boot is going to kick him in the butt when he does. But you gotta say this for Miller, he card read good.

Philadelphia Flyers: Winners. People like Sean Couturier. Plus for some reason they have some issues with their organization-wide center depth all of a sudden. They made very good use of the eighth pick.

San Jose Sharks: Winners. Brent Burns is all of a sudden going to become a star in this league because he's now on a team that doesn't stink. Plus, anything that makes Mike Babcock say he's "pissed off," is a-okay by me.

Toronto Maple Leafs: Losers. The good news is that they got John-Michael Liles(notes), who they wanted when they signed Jeff Finger(notes) (maybe the funniest story behind a bad signing ever). The bad news is people don't seem to love the Tyler Biggs pick. Oh well. They still have Phil Kessel(notes).

Vancouver Canucks: Losers. Their first round pick was a kid whose favorite player is Peter Regin(notes). Let that one sink in.

Winnipeg Jets: Losers. Get your own name. And the kid they drafted is already making "It's cold there" jokes. Gonna be a fun season. cwm27.gif
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Jackass 2011-2012. A place for all of the bandwagon hasbeen NHL fans like me, who still play ice hockey Thursday nights in the over 30 Geritol league. smile.gif

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Toto what is your break down on how the Avs did in the draft?? Will Mueller play this next season... Drop the ******* puck now.. 99 days till zen
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May I be the first....

EFF EDDY beers.gifbeers.gif
post #11 of 52269
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Originally Posted by minivin5 View Post

Toto what is your break down on how the Avs did in the draft?? Will Mueller play this next season... Drop the ******* puck now.. 99 days till zen

kid they picked up in the 1st round is supposed to be the most nhl ready out of all of them
power forward type guy

hard to get excited about them after that brutal trade with st. louis
still makes no sense to me
post #12 of 52269
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Originally Posted by Toad in Nj View Post

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Originally Posted by minivin5 View Post

Toto what is your break down on how the Avs did in the draft?? Will Mueller play this next season... Drop the ******* puck now.. 99 days till zen

kid they picked up in the 1st round is supposed to be the most nhl ready out of all of them
power forward type guy

hard to get excited about them after that brutal trade with st. louis
still makes no sense to me

I am hoping they can string something together.. I am interested to see how they address the goalie situation... I hope flash can be viable again also.. We shall see
post #13 of 52269
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i'd like to see them sign vokoun, get him out of the east and he is a heck of a goalie
canucks really have no reason to rush in dealing schneider...

IF the B's were able to sign Khudobin who has received a khl offer and is good enough to start somewhere else in the nhl..I would be open to dealing rask to phoenix for yandle
lot of if's
post #14 of 52269
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"UPDATE 11 AM EDT

The Flyers have officially announced the re-signings of Andreas Nodl and Tom Sestito (who tweeted a couple weeks ago that he had agreed to a new deal). Terms not disclosed yet, but probably right about at their respective RFA qualifying offers."
post #15 of 52269
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"Amidst the frenzy of moves on Thursday and the entry draft over the weekend, I was not able to discuss one of the more interesting aspects of the whole he said/he said controversy between the Flyers and Jeff Carter. Frankly, no one but Paul Holmgren, agent Rick Curran and Carter himself truly know what dialogue was exchanged in the days leading up to the trade.

Here's the most revealing part: Curran asserted that, when Carter was finished his entry-level contract in 2008, the agent had an offer sheet already in hand for the player but Carter turned it down and re-signed with the Flyers. The agent, of course, was trying to curry public favor for his client. In so doing, though, he unwittingly revealed being guilty of an unethical business practice that everyone knows goes on regularly throughout the entire NHL but no one ever admits to doing themselves.

Carter officially signed his second Flyers' contract -- a three-year, $15-million deal -- on June 27, 2008. Note the date: That's several days BEFORE he was to become a restricted free agent. To already have an offer sheet in hand from another team (or even allow other teams to contact you about their interest) is a blatant violation of the NHL's tampering rules.

Curran is hardly the only agent who has done this. Most agents and, correspondingly, most teams have flouted the tampering rules at one time or another. That's how so many complicated multi-year contracts for free agents magically get announced on the first day or two of free agency. But it's always done in a "wink, wink" sort of way and such deals are never publicly acknowledged to have been hammered out in advance lest it force the NHL's hand to take disciplinary action.

At any rate, getting back to whatever assurances the Flyers allegedly gave the Carter camp, I will say this: Holmgren was in a tough spot, which he probably could have handled a little better given the vehemence of the player's reaction after the fact.

When a trade involving a key player is being discussed -- especially when said player recently signed an 11-year contract extension at a cap-friendly price -- it is awfully hard to answer truthfully when asked if he is going to be traded.

Think about it: Even if he answers "Yes, there are teams calling and we owe it to our team to at least hear what they have to say" (the only 100 percent truthful answer), the player feels like management is trying to get rid of him. That's a bad situation even if a trade doesn't happen.

On the flip side, anything other than a straight answer will be considered a lie if a trade DOES happen, up to and including saying, "Teams have called but unless someone blows us away with an offer we can't possibly refuse, there's no way we trade you, because we think you are too important to our team."

I don't know if the deal made with Columbus exactly qualifies as an offer the Flyers couldn't refuse, but it may very well prove to help the Flyers in the long-term between the acquisition of Jakub Voracek and the selection of Sean Couturier with the 8th pick in the draft. But whether or not the Flyers made a great trade or a lousy one (or somewhere in between) really doesn't matter until the team is on the ice playing hockey again. The key issue here is honesty or dishonesty, and the fact that there are plenty of shades of gray in the middle when it comes to employee relations and the court of public opinion.

It would be wrong if Holmgren told the Carter camp (first Curran, then Carter) an outright "No, Jeff will not be traded" and then traded him for essentially the same package that had been rumored for at least two weeks. That's what Curran claims, and there's really no way to know how it was phrased by Holmgren.

It certainly does appear that Carter himself was totally convinced he was staying put, so I think it's fair to say that the Flyers at least led him to believe that a deal was unlikely and the rumors of an imminent trade were untrue.

I know it was a brutal situation for all sides (one which could also adversely affect the Flyers' ability to lock up young core players before they are NTC eligible and before they reach restricted free agency in the offseason). But honesty -- or a reasonably soft-soaped facsimile -- would have been the best policy here, since we all know now that there was fire burning under all the smoke about a potential deal to Columbus."
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