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post #16 of 60
The only bad thing I see about this is the student only received minor injuries. . . . . that kid deserved to wake up in the hospital.
post #17 of 60
you my friend are whats wrong with america !!!!.......i got suspended once or twice for fighting in school.....i would have loved to be 16 and in that class.........................................

Absolutely. You'd hate to have more level headed teachers in the classroom who don't think physical violence is a way to maintain order.
post #18 of 60
Passiton, did you even watch the video that you posted? This was a not a random use of force because the teacher lost it. The much larger male student clearly bumped into her and trapped her against the door. Does she have to wait until he throws a punch and knocks her out? If that was you being confronted by a larger, younger person, I am sure you would have just taken it. The only reason that kid is acting that way is because people like you have let him get away with for 18 years. He knows there will be no repurcussions. Did you see how shocked he was to get hit? He was clearly stunned for a couple seconds.

Watched it several times. He was in her face and definitiely using size to intimidate. His hands, however, were at his sides the whole time. he didn't swing, push, or throw anything. Even if he did, you can't start throwing punches. I know it sounds crazy, but you can't do that. It's not a street brawl.


We are ready and waiting to hear how you would have deescalated this situation. Its easy to say that, especially without backing it up without decribing any exact methods.

No problem:

1. She was not backed into a corner, she was against a door. They have doorknobs. Open the door, step out, and call for help. It's what you're supposed to do.

2. Stop screeching. Many times a calm, low, measured tone in the face of a worked up student will help keep things from jacking up any farther.

3. Open the door and ask the student to leave. Believe it or not, they usually will.

4. Ask students to call for help. Call one by name and tell them to call the office. The kids hears this and often drops back on thier own, usually by storming out of the room.

5. Most importantly, how did she get into that situation to begin with? This was over licking a window? Something is missing here. A good teacher keeps things from getting to that point if at all possible. it happens though, and I can't say if she handled it correctly from the beginning or not

Have you ever been trapped in a corner by a larger, younger student, perhaps a football player? Has a student ever made purposeful physical contact with you trying to intimidate you? Let's hear the details.

Yup. I'm a big boy, but many kids are larger than I am. Two years ago I got in between two of our football players who were about to brawl over a girl. One of them backed down immediately (he was going to get killed and he knew it) and I turned my back to him and crowded him back towrds the caf doors behind ud. The other kid dropped everything, threw his backpack off, and came right at me. I stood my ground, maintained eye contact, and kept talking to him. I kept my hands out but down and got ready to wrap the kid and drop to the floor with him. I asked repeatedly for kids to run into the office (75 feet away) and get help. They did and an administrator came barreling out and got to the kid before things got seriously hairy. Honeslty, I thought I was going to take some lumps.

I had another student come at me years ago with serious intent. I was teaching a class for emotionally disturbed kids and he was the most disturbed of a tough lot. He blew up out of nowhere and lunged out of his chair at me. He would not back down or leave when I told him to do so and I told the other kids to leave the room (if you can't get the agressor out, you are supposed to get the other kids out to avoid additional harm) and run to the office. The kid came right into my face, spittle flying, screaming and red faced. He was beyond vulgar and was ready to go if I pushed even a tiny bit. I kept eye contact, spoke calmly, and kept telling him it would be better to leave than to do this to himself. If he swung we were going to drop to the floor together while I yelled my head off for some help.

He ended up booking out the door and going AWOL until the social worker found him. He was eventually removed from the program and sent out to a special placement.

End result: Every kid in that room was in awe that i stood my ground, went eyeball to eyeball, and didn't swing on the kid. I got a lot of respect from them for that.

She may get reprimanded, but I doubt that she loses her license. Florida has a large number of older people, many of whom feel that there is a distinct lack of respect by many young people for teachers and other authority figures. I bet she keeps her job. If I was on a jury and saw that video, he would get nothing, There is also a good chance that when confronted with the ensuing public humiliation that his father will grow a pair and set the kid straight.

Want to bet that plug? tongue.gif

Turn in your man card!

My man card is intact and well used. I don't need to crack a kid for being a jackass and a bully.
post #19 of 60
Seems like being passive in that situation is only going to instill the idea that teachers are required to take it .

She did the right thing, he needs an arse whooping, not only to set him straight, but as a message to to other would be thugs that teachers don't have to put up with that crap.
post #20 of 60
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4b6pJHfwk

She's out of line. He was verbal and she responded with physical violence. There are ways to deescalate a situation like that. 20+ years workng with very volatile kids and I've never had to crack a kid to keep order. You just don't do it, no matter how badly you may want to.


I'll bet a plug that she gets fired and loses her teaching license. That kid and his family will take down a hefty payday too.

Passiton, due to his size and his demeanor, I don't think anyone can say that she was not being physically intimidated and threatened. She reacted with force and although she may very well get in trouble for it, she is a 64 year old woman, who in my book, should get a damn medal.

When kids in school take thing to a level which puts an old woman in fear for her personal safety, it has gone much, much too far and needs to be stopped.

That woman's got guts and if they ban her from teaching, they have just given every other little punk with an attitude a license to do pretty much any damn thing they want.

You may have been a teacher for quite some time but a kid walking up and pulling that stuff on you is probably a much different scenario than a little old woman - unless of course, you happen to be built just like a little old woman. Not being insultive. I just think the comparison is a little apple and orangy...
post #21 of 60
Passiton, due to his size and his demeanor, I don't think anyone can say that she was not being physically intimidated and threatened. No arguement from me on that. He was definitely in her space and looming over her.


That woman's got guts and if they ban her from teaching, they have just given every other little punk with an attitude a license to do pretty much any damn thing they want. Kids get lippy all the time. Some get up in your face. This kid was extreme, but it happens. Sending the message that it's ok for a teacher to sock him is sending a message in and of itself.

You may have been a teacher for quite some time but a kid walking up and pulling that stuff on you is probably a much different scenario than a little old woman - unless of course, you happen to be built just like a little old woman. Not being insultive. I just think the comparison is a little apple and orangy...


Yes and no. I've been significantly ouclassed in size, but not as badly as she was.
post #22 of 60
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Originally Posted by Surf Cat View Post

Seems like being passive in that situation is only going to instill the idea that teachers are required to take it .

She did the right thing, he needs an arse whooping, not only to set him straight, but as a message to to other would be thugs that teachers don't have to put up with that crap.


There is nothing passive about standing your ground and remaining calm in the face of someone's explosive anger.
post #23 of 60
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Originally Posted by Surf Cat View Post

Seems like being passive in that situation is only going to instill the idea that teachers are required to take it .

She did the right thing, he needs an arse whooping, not only to set him straight, but as a message to to other would be thugs that teachers don't have to put up with that crap.


There is nothing passive about standing your ground and remaining calm in the face of someone's explosive anger.

That's very true bud and I agree however, she may have been actually VERY afraid and justifiably so in my book. There is absolutely NO excuse for a boy his size to be approaching ANY women, let alone a school teacher in that manner.

If she had let him continue and just reported it to the office, they would have "actually" done little or nothing to prevent that type of behavior in the future and he would have laughed about it later.

She made a stand as as far as I'm concerned, it's one that should have been made a long long time ago.
post #24 of 60
in all seriousness, in the school i went to..that kid would have gotten his ass wopped by someone if not a few someones, for actinglike that to an old lady...
post #25 of 60
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in all seriousness, in the school i went to..that kid would have gotten his ass wopped by someone if not a few someones, for actinglike that to an old lady...
The problem these days though, is none of them have respect. You can hear one girl saying the teacher didn't have the right to hit him. Just goes to show you their mentality, imo.
post #26 of 60
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Originally Posted by passiton View Post

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Originally Posted by Surf Cat View Post

Seems like being passive in that situation is only going to instill the idea that teachers are required to take it .

She did the right thing, he needs an arse whooping, not only to set him straight, but as a message to to other would be thugs that teachers don't have to put up with that crap.


There is nothing passive about standing your ground and remaining calm in the face of someone's explosive anger.


So your going to stand your ground but wait until the very last minute and if the student takes a shot-- then you plan on attempting to slip the punch, wrap him up and wrestle him to the ground. Sounds like a recipe for disaster for an elderly lady to think she could pull that off.

And who's to say that in your attempt to wrestle them to the ground that a head doesn't get bashed against a hard object, desk, wall, etc-- it happens and injuries more severe than a busted lip result.
post #27 of 60
Again, all of this starts in the home. Parents, instead of saying stupid things like "oh, that's just how kids ARE nowadays" should be saying "maybe THOSE kids are like that but it's MY JOB to see that YOU aren't".

Total lack of responsibility and leadership on the parts of the parents and it's a travesty of justice that a 64 year old women is going to have to suffer for it - IF she does. I hope not.
post #28 of 60
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post #29 of 60
truth...
post #30 of 60
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Originally Posted by Surf Cat View Post

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Originally Posted by passiton View Post

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Originally Posted by Surf Cat View Post

Seems like being passive in that situation is only going to instill the idea that teachers are required to take it .

She did the right thing, he needs an arse whooping, not only to set him straight, but as a message to to other would be thugs that teachers don't have to put up with that crap.


There is nothing passive about standing your ground and remaining calm in the face of someone's explosive anger.


So your going to stand your ground but wait until the very last minute and if the student takes a shot-- then you plan on attempting to slip the punch, wrap him up and wrestle him to the ground. Sounds like a recipe for disaster for an elderly lady to think she could pull that off.

And who's to say that in your attempt to wrestle them to the ground that ahead doesn;t get bashed against a hard object, desk, wall, etc-- it happens and injuries more severe thatn a busted lip result.

I didn't say she should try and wrestle the kid.

Bottom line is that the teacher is in charge of the situation. Period. We do everything we can to avoid violence. If contact has to be made, you do everything you can to protect yourself and those involved, including the agressor is possible. Minimize the damage and get help ASAP.

Some of this is cracking me up. In a climate where teachers, including some of the very best and most gifted, are everyone's bitch, I'm stunned to see folks defend a seasoned teacher who responded to a kid being in her face by throwing punches.
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