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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I'm building a stand up 50 with roller guides.
Question is; why are the Stuarts about half the price of Aftcos?
Are they going to discontinue them or are they really cheaply made?
post #2 of 20
In this case "you get what you pay for"... You might also look at the line-up of All American Roller guides.
post #3 of 20
I have a set of the Stuarts and they aren't all that bad. The frames are thinner and the rollers have a wide flat on each side, but for under $40, they are OK. I ordered up a couple sets of the Batson 50# roller guides. I have used the AA Roller Guides, but the stripper is way too short for most reels and the line opening in the frame is fairly small. Good quality, but the sizes keep me from using them. I usually use the Aftco Wind On or SHD roller guides, but if the Batsons are nice, I will switch over to them instead!
post #4 of 20
The "rumor" is that the stuart's make a hell of lot of noise when the line is running thru them.

Don't know.

I use Aftco and All American and both are good.

Taz, I don't know what you mean about line opening on the AA? They are like a wind on in openings but are a smaller footprint....
post #5 of 20
I've never built a rod with roller guides - I've never even fished one - so take this with a grain of salt. But because I'm a lunatic, I've done some research on offshore rods and roller guides.



And you know what I found? That the deal with roller guides is the same as it is with any other guide: the guides that cost more are made with more expensive materials, they take longer to manufacture, and they have a more thorough quality-control process than inexpensive guides do. So "you get what you pay for" is, as with ringed guides, generally true.



To give one example of this: the Winthrop roller guides, which are evidently as good as it gets (and have the price to match), are machined from a single piece of aluminum, like they do with fly reels, and have a titanium roller. This results in much better guide, but the increase in quality and durability comes with additional cost.



You're free to use cheaper options if you want, but with the money that guys spend to go bluewater fishing, skimping on guides to save $40 or even $150 on a rod seems kind of foolish to me. But to each his own - it's a free country.
post #6 of 20
Belmo, your thoughts and research is spot on.





what he said... x2
post #7 of 20
I have 10 matching trolling rods that I built for my boat a few years ago.
Used all Aftco Wind On rollers. They have worked well.

Last year I built another rod to match, and used Winthrop Tool Guides. The difference in weight is VERY noticeable. The other thing I noticed is the guide foot seems to flex better and/or better leverage angle....or for whatever reason I am not getting any small checks in the epoxy at the guide foot. It has landed some big fish and still looks perfect. Like any roller, a quick shot of CorrosionX or ReelX between trips is essential to keep them rolling and free of corrosion.

If I had to do it again, (esp. if I was only building 1 or 2 rods)., WT hands down. It is worthwhile, IMO.
post #8 of 20
I didn't mention the Winthrop rollers earlier because the price-break is much higher. However, given all the options Winthrop is THE way to go - especially if you're going above 50lb class. BTW I'm not a "fan" of any roller guides below 80's - I just don't see them as necessary to get the job done.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by jpbarnlight1 View Post
If I had to do it again, (esp. if I was only building 1 or 2 rods)., WT hands down. It is worthwhile, IMO.



I realize that nobody's budget is infinite, but let's face it: pelagic fishing is an expensive hobby.



With offshore trips so expensive, it seems kinda foolish to me to skimp to save a few bucks. Even if good rollers cost $400 more than cheap ones do -- so what? If you amortize (fancy word) that cost over even just a few dozen trips, it comes out to less than $20 for each trip. When you're shelling out a grand or more for a single trip (fuel, bait, etc.), taking a chance on losing a fish over this kind of money seems silly to me. If the cost is that big an issue to you, go fishing inshore, or come sling eels with me in the surf.
post #10 of 20
I never lost a fish to my Aftco Guides and I've caught some big Bluefin(>700) and Sharks(>800).

I had one AA roller sieze on me (it was a neptune roller) - never on a regular AA roller. I always check them before a big trip and never had a problem since.

Wintrhrops are the cat's meow, but are not required.

I have a mix and match on my 50's.(rings and rollers) I think rollers make a big difference on a big Bluefin run or when they are deep under the boat.
post #11 of 20
"Winthrop".....makes a quality guide.....NEVER GO CHEAP!!!...Fish of a life time....are "just that".....Mark
post #12 of 20
One or two more opinions to throw in the mix. If cost is an issue go with all Fuji Chrome SIN or Alps Zirconium guides or an Aftco roller stripper and tip and ring guides in between. You will have a good rod for a less coin.

For 50lb there is no need for rollers and as other have made mention of the rollers affect the action. I have a bunch or Calstar Grafighters with Aftco rollers and love them however the same rod with ring guides is a totally different animal.

A $200 set of guides isnt going to catch you any bigger fish. Cheap guides may cost you a fish. Buy good quality components that fit your budget and go fishing.

Good luck.

Brett
post #13 of 20
I built up the trolling rod for a 50W and the stripper needed to be a pretty good distance away from the reel so when the line came from the sides of the 50W, it didn't rub on the frame opening. When I put my 30 on it (built up a heavier rod for the 50W), the line was hitting the blank between the foregrip and stripper guide because the stripper was fairly far away and fairly low and the reel was much smaller.

The WT are nice, but at $400 a pop, MANY guys won't spring for them. Even their cheaper Xpress are $300 a set. I build up full tuna rods, Seeker Black Steel blanks, Turbo guides with the Gold or blue plated rings and ALPS reel seats/gimbals for less than a set of WT with tip tops! No problems with the rods with Aftco W/O or SHD's, or ringed guides. Yes, the aluminum frame is lighter and more flexible, as is the Titanium roller. But with rods that are already fairly heavy and with the large reels attached to them, MOST people won't notice the difference between the WT's and other roller guides in terms of weight and quality, but they WILL notice the price difference!!

The Aftco's and other brands have lasted for years and landed tons of fish. Yes, WT are incredibly nice, but the majority of fishermen won't spring for that kinda of money on the rod. Commercial fishing, maybe if you have the money to spend on that stuff and fish big money touranments, or West Coast doing lots of long range trips and you only have a few rods, I can see springing for them. For the average Joe Smoe weekend fisherman, they won't turn him into the next Dennis Braid!!

Yeah, an extra $400 per rod. Multiply that by a 12 rod spread!! Now you are talking almost $5K! $60-$100 for another brand of roller guides or normal ringed guide vs $400 isn't "a few bucks" difference!! I go on my friends boats and we split fuel costs, which runs around $250-$300 with bait and stuff. The "few bucks" difference pays for the trip! Not everyone is doing 10 day West Coast fishing trips where the gear needs to be sturdy and more durable and the trip costs a few grand and the fisherman doesn't have 16 rods! Private boat with 5-7 guys on an overnight trip to the NorthEast Canyons doesn't need WT roller guides!! Heck, last year most guys were lucky to get out 5 times Offshore the whole season due to weather and stuff! 5 years, it breaks down to $50 a year, but they gotta pay up front all at once!

You don't lose fish just because you aren't running WT guides, just like you don't need the newest, latest, greatest blank, fanciest reel seat or blingiest butt wrap. A simple Boomer Jr with ringed guides or Aftco Roller guides will catch fish just fine thank you and be a lot less expensive, which means you can fish more often!!!

I agree with Wahoo and Makoman, buy quality gear and take care of it and it will take care of you. You don't need the latest, most expensive stuff out there to catch fish and have fun!
post #14 of 20
There are plenty of guys that canyon fish where $$$ does not make a difference.

Way too much discussion on price....

If you own a boat and break down the overall cost to canyon fish for many seasons, the price difference between Aftcos and WTs is a drop in the bucket.


If you want a budget pole, that's fine. Anything will work within reason.
If you want the best, WT is it, imo.

I own both and use them both, and prefer my WT poles hands down. Whether it has a 50W or a 30W., there is a noticeable difference in weight and action. I am always happier when one of my WT poles starts screaming....
post #15 of 20
I 've never built a rod with rollerguides (yet) but I fish them quite a bit and have become partial to the Aftco wind ons .But at Highpoint last year Rich from the S.I. NERBS brought an exquisite standup rod that he had built with the winthrops and I was very impressed by the quality and design of the guides since I had not seen a rod that had them before in person. Winthrop also had a booth there and after talking to the owner at length and close inspection of a lot of their products they would definitely be at the top of my list when I get around to building one. Especially for a rod in the 50-80 class or higher.Extremely well engineered and made guides.Just my 2 cents.Ralph
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