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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Does one exist? A friend of mine came across about a dozen antique lures from the late 1800's to early 1900's. I figured it would be easy to find an online price guide, but can't seem to locate one. All I can find are sites where people will give you quotes if you send them pictures/information.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 27
You can start with ebay completed sales, but that's not 100% as there is alot of shill bidding on ebay. There really is no guide that's perfect, if you post some pics in the collectors forum here, I can help along with 1/2 dozen other guys with alot of knowledge.
post #3 of 27
yes,post pics and between all the lure collectors you should get most of your answers good luck
post #4 of 27
The problem with guides are good maybe today and not tomorrow. Type of hardware, color,rarity and conditon can swing a value all over the place. This is a great place to start but you have to have good pictures.

So to answer your question there are many printed guides and books on many early companies with prices. The authors themselves will tell you the prices are not very good and they would not put them in thier books but the publishers insist.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
We went over to Borders today and looked through some good, up to date price guides and found most of the info. we needed. I'm going to post some pictures here though just to see if I can get more info., and just to show off the find now that I've piqued your intrigue. Most of these are in pretty good condition given the age... far better than most of the pictures we saw in those guides. The most valuable one is a wooden frog that's in great shape. There's also a Pflueger minnow (can't remember the exact name) that's in great shape. The two I'm most interested in are going to be the first two I post pictures of... the ones on the white paper towels. Other pics aren't very good. This wasn't a good day to take pics, overcast and dark. You can still see that the wooden frog held up quite well over the years.
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post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
Here's a couple more (bad) photos of what he had:
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hmm... the second round didn't post right. Take two:
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post #8 of 27
well since you looked thru all the books and got educated on value - how about sharing it with the rest of us. What is that frog bait worth?
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
The wooden frog is worth $400-900, depending on the condition. I'd have to guess that one is on the upper end of that range. It's in great shape. Some day I'll get a better pic of that one.

The Plueger minnow is worth around $300 if I remember correctly. That silver lure with 2 hinges (3 parts) was around $100, but it's not in the greatest condition. The one (mouse) lure (can't remember the exact names here, they aren't my lures)... I believe was in the $100 range. It's in tremendous shape. All the fuzzy stuff is still on it, and the tail.

The rest of them are worth between $40-75.

None of them have boxes with them. Not sure if some or any of them even came with boxes originally though.

He's not interested in selling them at this time. That's why I posted this in the "questions" section instead. I managed to get him to part with two (the good photos on the paper towels).
post #10 of 27
Wooden frog around $275, pflueger minnow $125 ( more if it's an Electric minnow hard to tell from pic.) CCBCo. Pikies $10-$20 add a few $$ with original boxes. The values you quoted might have been spot on 10 years ago, not now. That's just my opinion of course.
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
That's strange, because the price guide we were looking at was up to date. Those prices you gave look similar to what we saw in the price guide his dad had, which was 15 years old. So you're saying these things have dramatically decreased in value over the years? I would think the opposite would be true.

Anyhow, here are better picks. As you can see they're in great shape. The one thing is actually called a chipmunk, I believe, not a mouse. And the Pflueger one had the words "crackled back" or something like that in the name I believe.

He also has some rigs and spoons, seen in the last photo. We actually didn't get to look these up, so if anybody has any information on them that would be greatly appreciated.
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post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by lucid View Post
That's strange, because the price guide we were looking at was up to date. Those prices you gave look similar to what we saw in the price guide his dad had, which was 15 years old. So you're saying these things have dramatically decreased in value over the years? I would think the opposite would be true.

Anyhow, here are better picks. As you can see they're in great shape. The one thing is actually called a chipmunk, I believe, not a mouse. And the Pflueger one had the words "crackled back" or something like that in the name I believe.

He also has some rigs and spoons, seen in the last photo. We actually didn't get to look these up, so if anybody has any information on them that would be greatly appreciated.

I stand by my post above. The Heddon is a gray mouse not a chipmunk, very common, chipmunk would have had dots going down the back. Your lures are in good condition, not great by any means. Age cracks on the Pflueger hurt value and I see a few chips on frog, but still very nice, just not top range of value scale. Lure prices have dropped big time, you can believe what you want
post #13 of 27
The small green 'Crackle Back " minnow is not Pflueger. It is Shakespeare and it is the " O3 " under water minnow. It has plain props and flat plate hardware which puts it around 1910 or so. The color is Green crackle back and the most common color of all the underwater minnows. A tuff minnow to find but it is VG+ to EX- condition at best which really hurts value.

The frog is a Pflueger Kent floater about 1912 because of the " Neverefail type hardware used to attach the side hooks. Very tuff bait but something about the paint pattern really bothers me. Though I have seen them painted lots of ways the spots on the top and the face painting really concern me.

Prices have not continued to rinse they hit a high on this type of bait in the early 2000s then started to take a slide. Today the only ones that command a high price would have to be EX to NIB.

Great bunch of baits - hold on to them I would exspect them to do nothing but slowly go up from here.
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
Believing what I want is irrelevant. I'm believing what I saw in an up to date price guide, and comparing that one to one that is 12 years old (not 15 as I originally said) contradicts what you are saying.

If you are talking about the back of the Pflueger minnow, those are not "age cracks"... that is the pattern. There are some toward the bottom, but I challenge anybody to show me a 100 year old lure that doesn't... and if you do I'll show you one that was probably repainted. I know these look way better than the ones in the pictures in the guides I looked at. In fact after looking around the net, I don't see others that equal the condition these are in. So I don't see how these wouldn't be in the upper portion of the ranges listed.

The "crackle back" in question... If I recall correctly the name Pflueger is written on it. Again these aren't mine. I'll have to ask him the next time I see him run it by him that it could be a Shakespeare instead.

And what exactly do you mean about being "concerned" about the paint on the frog? If you mean that you think it was repainted, I highly doubt it. Some old lady had these laying around in a duffel bag for decades, didn't even know the value of them. She practically gave them away for nothing at a yard sale. If it were somebody trying to off them for a lot of money... giving deceiving information about their value to try to gain an advantage, ect... (there are people like that out there)... then I would consider the likelihood of that much higher. And looking at a part where there is a small chip, it certainly doesn't look like it was repainted. Or am I reading into this all wrong? I'm feeling a bit of "hating" going on here.

Anyhow I know this guy would fish with them and risk losing them before he would sell them, and some day his son will end up with them... so I guess the value is moot in a way.
post #15 of 27
No hating at all, just hard to get folks to understand lure values and they usually take it personally. I have over 20 years in collecting old tackle I believe Roy C probably about the same. Roy is right about the 3 hook minnow being a Shakespeare, I was just noticing the age lines on the belly. Some of the spots on the frog look like they were redone. Not an uncommon occurence since this lure probably cost 1.00 fishermen would often touch the paint up so wood would not get saturated, it does affect value. Hard to really tell without seeing lure in person. Please don't take this personally but you asked for help and you got good advice.
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