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post #16 of 31
Always used Owner Live Baits until I started losing fish when reeling em in to fast outgoing tides. I changed over to Owner 3/0 Mutu Lt's and haven't lost a fish since. You can't set the hook while using a Circle - they set themselves. Wasn't a believer until I tried em. Def. good to have a couple rigs tied up with Circles - you'll never know when d' conditions will warrant them.
post #17 of 31
circle fo life! at least while chunking/clamming.
post #18 of 31
i use 9/0 and 10/0 octopus hooks for chunking and 5/0 baitholders for clamming. the only thing i liked circles for was drum fishing.
post #19 of 31
circle hooks use them for just about everything & you do not have to set the hook hard just lift the rod with slight snap
post #20 of 31
Circle hook rigging doesn't need to match rigging for J hooks. Keeping the circle unclogged can mean putting the bait "below" the hook, using a zip tie, rigging wire, or floss.The same would be true with a bunker head; you can have a zip tie looped through mouth and gill.


As for clams, net bags holding bait like salmon eggs or soft catfish baits are widely used and hanging a bag of clams under a circle like this seems a natural. There's even a salmon knot called the egg loop which opens up to hold a soft bait outside the hook circle and then pulls tight in perfect position for hooking that would work with clams.




Circles can even be used with jigs in this manner -- I have some tarpon jigs for the passes in florida which look much like the picture below.

post #21 of 31
As KOSS stated the circle hook used needs to have a wide enough gap to get around the lower outer jaw of a LARGE Striped Bass...the lower outer jaw is thick and it's where the hook per my experience finds home about 15% - 20% of the time...

Most of times (80% - 85%) the circle hook finds home in the corner of the mouth where the maw structure is not as thick, so in theory you can get by w/ a smaller gap'd circle hook...

Here's a pic of a 38# fish I caught...you can see the hook wound in the corner of the mouth...but note I was using a large 13/0 circle hook as shown and it barely fits around the outer jaw...



Why take a chance w/ an under-sized circle hook? Again circle hooks don't always go to the corner of the mouth...

Poppy
post #22 of 31
1999 STRIPED BASS CIRCLE HOOK STUDY
By:MD DNR Fisheries Biologist Rudy Lukacovic


  • Anglers caught 476 striped bass with conventional bait hooks and 640 with non-offset circle hooks.
  • The size of striped bass caught with bait hooks were similar (16.7 in; 10.5 - 36.6 in) to those fish caught with non-offset circle hooks (16.4 in; 11.4 - 36.3 in).
  • Thedeep hooking rate for conventional bait hooks over the course of the entire study was 17.2% and was 3.4% for non-offset circle hooks. This large decrease in deep hooking has been documented in several other Fisheries Service studies (24% for conventional hooks vs. 4% for circle hooks in summer 1996 and 46% vs. 11% in spring 1997).
  • The deep hooking mortality rate for striped bass caught with conventional bait hooks in this study was 53.1%. The deep hooking mortality rate with non-offset circle hooks was 23.5%. Studies done here in Maryland have consistently shown the deep hooking mortality rate of striped bass caught with conventional bait hooks to be about 50% regardless of temperature or salinity (57.7% in 1995; 41.0% in 1996 and 56.3% in 1997).
  • Overall, 9.1% of the striped bass caught on conventional hooks died whereas only 0.8% of the fish caught on circle hooks died.
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by EBHarvey View Post
I can't see why anyone would. Barbs are there to keep the bait on and a circle hook's shape makes it all but impossible for a piece of bait to slide off the hook - same with the fish being able to throw the hook. I wouldn't use one that had barbs - larger surface area on the point would make hook penetration more difficult, especially with the lack of hard hooksets, and that barb scoring out the hole as the hook turns back and forth isn't something I'd want either.


The reason I'd be interested EBH is stickly for worms in the sound estuaries. I like circles for chunk and clam and even eels but I can swim a worm better if I can get him up the shank on the barbs. Thats why for me it would be handy.
post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by IrishStripes View Post
The reason I'd be interested EBH is stickly for worms in the sound estuaries. I like circles for chunk and clam and even eels but I can swim a worm better if I can get him up the shank on the barbs. Thats why for me it would be handy.


Ahhh....I see

Have you tried making your own baitholder barb? Try soldering, or wrapping on with thread and then nail polish, a half inch piece of light wire with half of it sticking up at a 45 degree angle facing the eye of the hook - that should keep the worms from sliding off. I've never seen this done for holding bait in place, but it works well for artificials.
post #25 of 31
EB it funny you said that i am messing with smal wire ties (from the bread bag) under the eye and upturned on small circles. i'll let you know if they work.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by Lipyourown2 View Post
Circles are better for all baits.



What he said^^^^^
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by KOSS View Post
As I said before it depends on the shape of the hook and its ability to accomodate the fishes jaw. What circles are you using?


I've been using Gamakatsu on the rigs that i've been making.
post #28 of 31
i've used Eagle Claw 8/0 L2004EL Lazar sharp circle hooks live lining bunker and eels with very good results. They have also worked well chunking and are great with clams. Just about every fish hooked in the corner of the mouth, none deep hooked.
post #29 of 31
I use 10/0 Octopus hooks for chunking.
post #30 of 31
Result in far less mortality to the fish..about 70-75% less..so if catch and release is your game and you want to have healthy fish stock the answer is a no brainer.
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