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penn 940 levelmatic reel & rod

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
penn 940 levelmatic baitcast reel in very good condition with box
some small chips on topside of side cover no big chips/scratches
looks and functions great.
$75 shipped
7' berkley "super flats" popping special baicasting rod
15-20 lb. line
1/4-3/4 lure
IM6 graphite
rod is new never fished
$25 pick up only
post #2 of 13
Thread Starter 
not the same one luke I have several I bought from different places.
they are not made anymore and I have spent more than 70 on them and if you check on ebay they are going for more than that.
NOT cool to jump in with your 2 cents though
moderators?
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by Brigbassman
I'm not about to post a pic of the 30+ reels I own either


No need for all 30, just the 904's. Like I said, if I'm wrong I'll apologize but something just don't seem right.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by Brigbassman View Post
not the same one luke I have several I bought from different places.



The question now becomes - did you purchase them so you could sell them again? It really does feel like a reselling issue - and honestly, Luke had every right to respectfully bring up the fact that he just sold you the same reel. We do not allow reselling here - if you've purchased "several" of these same reels, one very recently from Luke - there's only one conceivable conclusion - that you are buying them to resell them for a profit. If I am wrong, please explain.



I'm sorry, but the fact that you've purchased "several" of them, once very recently from Luke on this forum - it makes a pretty fair case that you appear to be buying them with the intention of reselling them at a profit...and that's not allowed here. If there is some reasonable explanation that I missed, I am anxious to hear it



TimS
post #5 of 13
i've been following this thread to see how lukes interference was going to be handled.sure not the response i expected.once he sold it,he's out of the picture!who is he to decide that the "truth" must be told?
if that is going to be the reselling rule,then apply it equally to all buyers and sellers on this site.
post #6 of 13
I followed it also and must say that to me it also looked at first like Tim was taking Luke's side(6000 posts) without giving Brigbass(24 posts) any benefit of a doubt. With so many plugs trading hands here how can one expect to be able to prove that someone is reselling even though they might be. I am convinced that some people buy plugs at shows and stores and flea markets here and turn around and make a profit reselling them on this site and I don't have a problem with it as long as the buyer thinks they are paying a fair price let the market decide if someone deserves to make a profit. That being said the fact that Brigbass has suddenly become less defensive makes Tim look pretty insightful at this point. Nice catch.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by FISH BUCKET View Post
i've been following this thread to see how lukes interference was going to be handled.sure not the response i expected.once he sold it,he's out of the picture!who is he to decide that the "truth" must be told?

if that is going to be the reselling rule,then apply it equally to all buyers and sellers on this site.



When someone buys a very specific item on this forum for $50 -- and a few weeks later turns around and offers that very same item on this forum for $75, how can it not bring up questions? Luke didn't decide, he simply pointed out that this exact same item being sold for $75 was just recently purchased on this forum by the same member for $50 -- his other comments were removed. I added my own comments as I'm sorry, but for the life of me, I cannot come to any other conclusion (but I am open to any reasonable explanation as I've said in my previous posts).



Please explain why someone would buy a reel on this forum - and then sell the exact same model in the same condition with the box and manual a few weeks later if not to make a profit? I'm all ears. Sure, he could own "several" of them -- it's entirely possible -- but why would someone that owns so many of this specific reel that that one more would be too many purchase another one a few ago, all of which are in the same condition? Let's be reasonable folks...I'm trying to make sense of this.



Example - I want X number of widgits, right now I have X number of widgits - I see a widgit for sale - do I buy it? No, I have enough widgits. Different scenario - I want Y number of widgits, right now I have Y - 1 widgits - I see one for sale so I buy it and now have Y number of widgits. All the sudden Y is too many widgits so I have to sell one? But I just bought it, right? OK...fine...I'm fickle...all the sudden I have too many. So I'll sell one -- in the same place I just bought the last one, the one that made me all the sudden have too many forcing me to have to sell one -- except I'm gonna mark it up 50% and then sell it. But since that would be against the rules, I'm gonna sell a different yet identical widgit to the one I just purchased in the place I just purchased it?!



I'm trying to wrap my head around it The way I see it - and I am always willing to accept that I am mistaken - this reel was purchased for $50 with the intention of selling it for $75. I can't really come to any other conclusion -- but I'm open to suggestions



As far as the number of posts thing - do you still see Luke's original comments? They were removed -- and regardless of how many posts you have here, if I think the rules are being circumvented, I'm gonna follow up on it. And like Luke said in his post that was allowed to remain in this thread, if I'm wrong, I will apologize.



TimS
post #8 of 13
tims and kevnmary,i got to count to 10 before posting!this is one of the best sites going!i in no way meant to insinuate otherwise.
if someone buys an item at a very good price,then resells it a little higher and the price is still a good deal,whats the harm?most people on this site are pretty savvy and know the ropes.
also,sometimes i have bought things and didn't like them or wanted to upgrade,so i sold them soon after buying them.i'm sure others have too.
this site is a tackle ho's heaven,lets not mess it up.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by FISH BUCKET View Post
if someone buys an item at a very good price,then resells it a little higher and the price is still a good deal,whats the harm?



In that specific example, there is no harm. Except by allowing that, it opens the door to businesses getting involved selling here - and that is a door that we are not interested in opening



By allowing no reselling (buying a product with the intention of selling it at a profit) we can be fair to everyone and still keep this forum free from commercial use. It's a forum to be used by our members, preferrably our contributing members that have become a part of our community here by asking/answering questions on our other forums and generally making this a better place. We do not want businesses using this forum - we do not want people that buy stuff cheaply here or anywhere else with the intention of selling it here at a profit -- this forum is for folks that have stuff they purchased for themselves and no longer want/need. That doesn't include items purchased here for $50 and then offered here for $75 a few weeks later - even if it's only identical to the item purchased and not the exact same item. Cause I still can't figure that one out and I'm trying



TiMS
post #10 of 13
Tim I really hope you remove all these follow ups but I just want to point one thing out in your argument. For your point to be made whether he bought and sold it in one day or two weeks or a year and a half shouldn't make a difference. If time has anything to do with it then it will only encourage people to test out the policy. I mean if he had waited 6 weeks would it have gone unnoticed, maybe, but the violation of the site's policy would still exist. It seems to me that you can only enforce the blatant violations such as this one, which is probably for the better. As I said earlier let the market decide if the product is worth the asking price. If this had gone unnoticed by Luke I doubt anyone else would have picked it up and if he sold it for $75 too bad for Luke, the market would have proven that his price was too low.

All in all I also enjoy this site and would hate to see it get poached by the commercial sellers or turn into another crappy auction site and I think it is important that people think they are getting a bargain for their money here.

So thanks for keeping order it is a thankless job deserving of everyone's.
post #11 of 13
on keeping this site for individuals and not companies,i agree with you 100%!

right or wrong,buying and reselling is done.i just don't think luke should have hijacked that thread.thats what moderators are for.

can you put this to bed soon
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by FISH BUCKET View Post
right or wrong,buying and reselling is done.i just don't think luke should have hijacked that thread.thats what moderators are for.



Buying and reselling might very well be done -- the problem is, if you are caught doing it, you'll get warned once -- the second time, you will lose access to this forum...to buy, sell or trade. All the rules probably get broken, but the folks that respect the rules and follow them will quietly point out the violations -- and those folks will be removed. It's like anything else, if you get away with breaking the rules, all you are is disrespectful - if you get caught, then you won't even be able to see the BST Forum much less participate in any fashion



I agree, Luke probably should have just notified me about his suspicions and I would have looked into it - I'm sure that's how he'll handle a similar situation in the future One more side note -- even the folks that complained about Luke's post (prior to my opening of Pandora's box) in this thread technically were supposed to privately contact a forum leader or admin to complain instead of posting their complaints in this thread -- we all make mistakes



TimS
post #13 of 13
Please stick to the rules as posted

I love this forum and buy and sell often. Hate to see it become such a hassel for Tim S that it goes away. Keep it simple and follow the rules
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