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post #3901 of 9283
NJT work the steps and the answer will be obvious.
post #3902 of 9283
Sunday, October 4, 2009
\t \tYou are reading from the book \tTwenty Four Hours a Day \t
\t \t A.A. Thought for the Day

Am I critical of other members of A.A. or of new prospects? Do I ever say about other members: "I don't think they're sincere, I think they're bluffing, or I think they're taking a few drinks on the quiet?" Do I realize that my doubtful and skeptical attitude is hurting those members, if only in my attitude toward them, which they cannot help sensing? Do I say about new prospects: "They'll never make the program," or do I say: "They'll only last a few months?" If I take this attitude, I am unconsciously hurting those prospects' chances. Is my attitude always constructive and never destructive?

Meditation for the Day

To be attracted toward God and a better life, you must be spirit-guided. There is wonderful illumination of thought given to those who are spirit-guided. To those who are material-guided, there is nothing in God or a finer life to appeal to them or to attract them. But to those who are spirit-guided there is strength and peace and calm to be found in communion with an Unseen Lord. To those who believe in this God they cannot see but whose power they can feel, life has a meaning and purpose. They are children of the Unseen Lord, and all human beings are their brothers and sisters.

Prayer for the Day

I pray that I may be spirit-guided. I pray that I may feel God's presence and power in my life.
\t \t \tFrom Twenty-Four Hours a Day © 1975 by Hazelden Foundation.


I really like it when I am well guided.
post #3903 of 9283
I believe in the steps and the principals. I believe that the fundamental's of the 12 steps, the spiritual base. I believe one has to want to make a change in their life, to even begin to work a program. With out the basics, recovery will not happen. This is what I believe.

Sometimes meetings aren't good, but the basics are there and fundamentally the meeting is good, and even being in a so called bad meeting, beats being out there wasted.

Today I have choices, and I can use discernment to get what I need, to stay free and clean.

Now that my friends is a true blessing!
post #3904 of 9283
Monday, October 5, 2009
You are reading from the book Twenty Four Hours a Day
A.A. Thought for the Day

Do I have any hard feelings about other group members or for any other A.A. group? Am I critical of the way a group member thinks or acts? Do I feel that another group is operating in the wrong way and do I broadcast it? Or do I realize that all A.A. members, no matter what their limitations, have something to offer, some good, however little, that they can do for A.A. in spite of their handicaps? Do I believe that there is a place for all kinds of groups in A.A., provided they are following A.A. traditions, and that they can be effective, even if I do not agree with their procedure? Am I tolerant of people and groups?

Meditation for the Day

"The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in, from this time forth and even forever more." The Unseen Spirit can guide all your movements, your goings and comings. Every visit to help another, every unselfish effort to assist, can be blessed by that Unseen Spirit. There can be a blessing on all you do, on every interview with one who is suffering. Every meeting of a need may not be a chance meeting, but the Unseen Spirit may have planned it. Led by the Spirit of the Lord, you can be tolerant, sympathetic, and understanding of others and so accomplish much.

Prayer for the Day

I pray that the spirit of God may lead me. I pray that the Lord will preserve my goings and my comings.


for me today: This touches on a topic i have discussed with others lately.....some groups may not be for me, but they may be just what another needs...that is not my concern...my concern is to look for a group that works for me...not one that will just take it easy on my, no one i can shop for answers with, but the one i can grow with. as is often the case, I should ask myself what my motives are.

smile and be happy

diamondd~~~OUT!
post #3905 of 9283
My words are not meant to criticize and I am not trolling....but it seems that the fundamentals of AA are rooted in GOD/christianity. So what would an agnostic or someone that just is not that "into" religion do?
post #3906 of 9283
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My words are not meant to criticize and I am not trolling....but it seems that the fundamentals of AA are rooted in GOD/christianity. So what would an agnostic or someone that just is not that "into" religion do?


I have a friend who is an atheist the super scientific type he talks about foam theories and stuff. He says that he wished he would have just shut up and done the work. Because then he would have got "it" sooner.

Actually I am irreligious. I feel religion is mans way of worshiping something he does not understand. Nor ever will. Heck the Muslims and the Jewish people both worship Abraham's God. Based on a birth right. The Bible was scribed by man (Avoiding a fight, I feel it was written by man) and so would every other religious book out there. Well we men make mistakes and provide inaccuracies. Don't expect me in church on Sunday. ;-)

Step Two is "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves can restore us to sanity." And really all you have to believe that it has worked for others. Once you do that the rest falls into place. Don't over think stuff, that is where we get into trouble.

PM me if you like. I enjoy a good discussion.
post #3907 of 9283
Bink one other thing there is a chapter in the Book called "WE AGNOSTICS".

Go To http://www.aa.org/bbonline/ and you can read what they wrote on this subject.
post #3908 of 9283
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Originally Posted by binkthefisher View Post
My words are not meant to criticize and I am not trolling....but it seems that the fundamentals of AA are rooted in GOD/christianity. So what would an agnostic or someone that just is not that "into" religion do?



i go to meetings. before i went to AA i never believed in god at all. now i'm not sure. but you don't have to believe in god to go to AA and get sober. there's alot of crap i hear in AA that i don't agree with, but i will say that going to meetings helps me stay clean and sober. there is a chapter in the big book (i can't believe i'm referencing the big book) called we agnostics. i think the argument they put forth is actuallly ridiculous. if you go to a meeting (especially an open speaker meeting), you can usually get a book for free. they often give them to new people. one thing i think i do get out of AA is that i hear hope which i didn't have when i first came around. listening to people just coming in that are hopeless, suicidal and desperate reminds me how i felt before i came to AA and the first 2.5 years i went to meetings but still drank and got high. i think i'm rambling too much, but just remember you don't have to believe in god to get sober. anybody that tells you you do is usually brainwashed or was into religion before coming to AA. i know guys that have been sober over 30 years that go to AA but have never done the steps and don't believe in god. there's a good men's meeting in mass on monday nights in woburn. they tell it how it is. don't drink.
post #3909 of 9283
SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE
The terms “spiritual experience†and “spiritual awakening†are used many times in this book which, upon careful reading, shows that the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism has manifested itself among us in many different forms.
Yet it is true that our first printing gave many readers the impression that these personality changes, or religious experiences, must be in the nature of sudden and spectacular upheavals. Happily for everyone, this conclusion is erroneous.
In the first few chapters a number of sudden revolutionary changes are described. Though it was not our intention to create such an impression, many alcoholics have nevertheless concluded that in order to recover they must acquire an immediate and overwhelming “God-consciousness†followed at once by a vast change in feeling and outlook.
Among our rapidly growing membership of thousands of alcoholics such transformations, though frequent, are by no means the rule. Most of our experiences are what the psychologist William James calls the “educational variety†because they develop slowly over a period of time. Quite often friends of the newcomer are aware of the difference long before he is himself. He finally realizes that he has undergone a profound alteration in his reaction to life; that such a change could hardly have been brought about by himself alone. What often takes place in a few months could seldom have been accomplished by years of self-discipline. With few exceptions our members find that they have tapped an unsuspected inner resource which they presently identify with their own conception of a Power greater than themselves.
Most of us think this awareness of a Power greater than ourselves is the essence of spiritual experience. Our more religious members call it “God-consciousness.â€
Most emphatically we wish to say that any alcoholic capable of honestly facing his problems in the light of our experience can recover, provided he does not close his mind to all spiritual concepts. He can only be defeated by an attitude of intolerance or belligerent denial.
We find that no one need have difficulty with the spirituality of the program. Willingness, honesty and open mindedness are the essentials of recovery. But these are indispensable.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.â€


—Herbert Spencer


post #3910 of 9283
for the folks that believe AA is a cult and its members are brainwashed perhaps this site is what you seek? http://www.orange-papers.org/
post #3911 of 9283
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Originally Posted by binkthefisher View Post
My words are not meant to criticize and I am not trolling....but it seems that the fundamentals of AA are rooted in GOD/christianity. So what would an agnostic or someone that just is not that "into" religion do?


This agnostic/atheist just works the steps and take time to talk to his higher power every day.
post #3912 of 9283
Quote:
Originally Posted by binkthefisher View Post
My words are not meant to criticize and I am not trolling....but it seems that the fundamentals of AA are rooted in GOD/christianity. So what would an agnostic or someone that just is not that "into" religion do?



The program is a spiritual program. Even agnostics have spiritual needs.
post #3913 of 9283
Good Orderly Direction
post #3914 of 9283
Brainwashing....My brain NEEDS to be washed.

Good topic. My sponsor had a real problem with god. Really hated the whole concept. He found a higher power in nature and it works for him. He is also big on the steps and we study the steps together.
Personally I don't have a problem with god the fact that I am here today is a miracle.
post #3915 of 9283
i call my higher power God because it's easier. my conception of God is mine. she has really big tits and wants me to be happy. she doesn't want me to lie cheat or steal and she wishes i'd quit smoking. she knows drinking makes me a lunatic, and when i asked her she took away my compulsion.
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