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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Now I think this was a steller stupid move by the DFG. Perch stocks seem to be improving but now?????








The California Fish and Game Commission took action at its February 3, 2006 meeting to increase the recreational surfperch bag and possession limit from five to 20 surfperch in the aggregate, with not more than 10 surfperch of any one species. This limit is separate from the 20-fish daily limit of shiner surfperch. This increase to the bag limit, however, does not apply to waters of the San Francisco and San Pablo bays, where the limit will remain five fish in the aggregate, not including shiner surfperch.


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This regulation change becomes effective Sunday, May 21, 2006.


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Section 28.59 of Title 14, California Code of Regulations, has been amended to read as follows:


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§28.59. Surfperch.


(a) For purposes of this Section, the term “surfperch†refers to all species of the family Embiotocidae, in any combination.


(b) Open season: Open all year, except surfperch may not be taken or possessed by a person in San Francisco Bay and San Pablo Bay between April 1 and July 31, inclusive. Shiner surfperch (Cymatogaster aggregata) are exempt from this seasonal closure and may be taken and possessed up to their daily bag limit in these areas during the closure period.


(c) Daily bag limits.


(1) In San Francisco Bay and San Pablo Bay, the aggregate limit is five surfperch, not including shiner surfperch. For all other areas, the aggregate limit is 20 surfperch, not including shiner surfperch. Not more than 10 surfperch may be of any one species.


(2) The special limit for shiner surfperch is 20, which may be taken or possessed in addition to the overall daily bag limit of 20 finfish defined in subsection 27.60(a) and the special limits defined in subsection 27.60(b).


(d) Minimum size: redtail surfperch, ten and one-half inches total length. All other surfperch, none.


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For more information, visit the California Fish and Game Commission's web site at www.fgc.ca.gov
post #2 of 17
Definately NOT in the best interest of the surf perch fishery. I would be very interested to hear where these scholars that set the regs got the data to justify this change. NOT EVEN ONCE in over 50 yeas of perch fishing have I witnessed any representative from F&G or other related agency doing any sort of field work that would indicate increasing the limit was justifiable or in the best long term interest of the fishery. If they are out there doing there homework I sure hav'nt seen them. Any Fish & Game personnel out there?? Let's hear your side of it.. Mike
post #3 of 17
This was not done based on any science, it was done at the request of the UAC ( UNited Anglers). The limit on surfperch had been 20 ( with no more than 10 of one species) for as long as I can remember, because they were covered under the general finfish limits. Last year ( or maybe the year before), the DFG changed the limit in SF Bay to 5 fish to protect the Bay population. This was based on population estimates. They changed the statewide regs to 5 fish at the same time with no indication that the population was dropping or was in trouble. This new reg change simply restored the limit to what it had been for a very long time.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by crashq
This was not done based on any science, it was done at the request of the UAC ( UNited Anglers). .

Well that is the stupidest move I have ever heard. No Science? Even though state wide perch catches have been dropping and the size of the fish getting smaller and smaller each year?
UAC did a bad thing, 10 fish I can almost understand but 20???? Because of a request?
I have a request, lets fix the Klamath River and inpose a slot limit on stripers.
This is the most un-conservation thing I have seen, and as an avid angler, I have prided anglers as a whole as being the most conservation oriented.

Dumb move man, dumb move.....

p.s., this is only my humble opinion and does not reflect the opinion of others....
LL
post #5 of 17
That does reflect my opinion. I read the same thing and was astounded that such a bad decision could be made. With most other fish stocks on the decline, they are ensuring that the same thing happens with the perch. What are people going to do with 20 perch. Think - a familiy of 4 could take home 80 fish .
post #6 of 17
I've gotta agree. I sent a letter to the commission about it. We'll see what they say in reply.
post #7 of 17
My limit will stay the same. Zero
post #8 of 17
As an ardent surf fisherman for the past 60 years in ca and Ore waters i agree there has been some reduction to large perch. For ten years, was a participant in the Oregon state red Tail perch research program. Collecting specimins, Tagging fish etc. This program was and is being conducted joint venture with Ore fish and Wildlife and the Univ. of Ore. Hq at Coos Bay Ore. Noteworthy each annual collated data reports did not reveal any depletion of the stock. Some of the redtail migrated along the coast for as much as a hundred miles in a year. Bandon Ore to Orick Ca. Ore red tail perch bag limit was 25 per day, however that was reduced to 15 and certainly this area of northern cal and Ore is sparsly fish for perch. I,m told that polution and certainly enviomental changes are adverse to perch reproduction. Possibly the Cal. Fish and Game should explore that area in central cal and the Bay areas.
post #9 of 17
Rodder, thanks for the info. Very interesting stuff about the migration. Its also good to hear that some research is being done on the redtails. We get a few redtails down here, but mostly barred surfperch. Mike
post #10 of 17
I've been following this topic on another board. The way I understand it is, the UAC proposed the return of the slot limit to 20 because of their fear that lowered slot limit of 5 fish was a threat that would/could impact our rights as fishermen to fish for certain species; surf perch for now with halibut, cod, and even stripers down the road. As it seems that there was no scientific study submitted to argue the case from both sides, I feel that a 10 fish aggregate limit would work for all concerned parties. Just my 2 cents.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by TACOBEN
I've been following this topic on another board. The way I understand it is, the UAC proposed the return of the slot limit to 20 because of their fear that lowered slot limit of 5 fish was a threat that would/could impact our rights as fishermen to fish for certain species; surf perch for now with halibut, cod, and even stripers down the road. As it seems that there was no scientific study submitted to argue the case from both sides, I feel that a 10 fish aggregate limit would work for all concerned parties. Just my 2 cents.

Agreed, i heard the same thing. i already sent a letter to UAC stating the same issues i have. have the heard boo from them.
I suggest EVERYONE send them an email and voice your opinion.
post #12 of 17

when ca dfg implemented the 5 fish limit and 10.5in size requirement for redtail surf

perch, they did so with no scientific data. when they reinstated the 10 fish limit with  size requirement,they also did so with no scientific data.typical f&g.i live in klamath,ca and have redtail perch fished on local beaches for over forty years,including the mouth of the klamath, world renowned for excellent redtail perch fishing.i can t honestly say i ve noticed a difference in quantity or quality in 40+ years,unlike the salmon, steelhead or sturgeon populations.what also seems to be disapearing is the local sandcrab populations.why i can t even offer a clue.i have switched to raw shrimp for bait, which i think these redtails prefer over sandcrabs.none of the perch gets wasted, as local dungeness crabs also love redtail carcases.as for fixing the klamath river by implementing some kind of bag limit for stripers,df&g would probably go for it,as there are no stripers in the klamath that i know of.

post #13 of 17
Welcome Sissorbill. What else do you fish for up there and If you have a boat don't tell mike 415 biggrin.gif
post #14 of 17
I didn't know that you couldn't take them from the bay anymore except for shiners confused.gif Well if I still lived up there I couldn't even get a license because I fished for them in the winter time but normally in Feburary. They start to move out of the east bay after that!
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by danflytr View Post

I didn't know that you couldn't take them from the bay anymore except for shiners confused.gif Well if I still lived up there I couldn't even get a license because I fished for them in the winter time but normally in Feburary. They start to move out of the east bay after that!

From the 2012-2013 Ocean Sport Fishing Regulations

28.59. SURFPERCH.
(a) For the purposes of this section, the term “surfperch” refers to all species of the family Embiotocidae, in any combination.
(b) Open Season: Open all year, except surfperch may not be taken or possessed by a person in San Francisco Bay and San Pablo Bay between April 1 and July 31, inclusive. Shiner surfperch (Cymatogaster aggregata) are exempt from this seasonal closure and may be taken and possessed up to their daily bag limit in these areas during the closure period.
(c) Daily bag limits:
(1) in San Francisco Bay and San Pablo Bay, the aggregate limit is five surfperch, nut including shiner surfperch. For all other areas, the aggregate limit is 20 surfperch, not including shiner surfperch. Not more than 10 surfperch may be of any one species.

You would still be good in February.
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