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What makes it a "modified" Pendulum Cast? What's different between it and the "Tournament" Pendulum Cast?
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tournament pendulem = someone who knows what they are doing ....
modified pendulem = all of us who don't fit the above defination
post #3 of 38
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I've tried it a few times but I shouldn't even attempt it until I get the "Off the beach" cast down to where I think it's acceptable. I want to get with the guys in New Jersey at thier Marlton, NJ practices and observe them and maybe get some opinions about my casting.
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Derf said:
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tournament pendulem = someone who knows what they are doing ....
modified pendulem = all of us who don't fit the above defination
Hit the nail right on the head there Derf
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M y understanding is that a modified pendulum is taking the basic form of the pendulum casts and altering it slightly. Maybe a good example of this is UK's Keith White, who can be found on the Jersey Casters site when you do a search on google. He has a name for his set-up but he starts with his rod up and angled slightly while rocking the sinker, drops his tip downand behind him to start his acceleration thru the cast. He has a name for what he is doing but in my mind this is a modified pendulum because he is changing the classic form into something new, while holding true ot the essence on the pendulum.

The NJ practices are on hold until someo fthe snow clears. I'll get any dates up as soon as I know them.

Bill Jr.
post #6 of 38
Keith White calls it the "Deadswing". This is one example. I have not looked at Ron Arra's video's in a while or wat he is doing lately but maybe he will chime about his cast if it is a modified pendulum. I know I've gone thru at least four different styles of pendulum in both practice and in competition. I've had my own version of Neil Mackellow's technique. I call it the modified Mackellow. I've cast in the style of Peter Thain, Danny Moeskops and lately I'm trying out Keith White's style. Though, one does have to develop ones own style eventually, it is a lot of fun to try to "step into the shoes" of these great casters when mimicing their casts.
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I believe what is being refered to as a modified pendulum is what is also called the fishing pendulum. My understand/application of a fishing pendulum is as follows.

Shorter drop than a tournament pendulum. Down to say the bottom guide instead of the top hand.

Less rotation. Since you may often find yourself standing knee to waist deep in the surf you don't want to try taking a big step like many (myself included) tournament casters do. Just a pivot at the waist, turn and hit.

Less violence on the hit... Nice and smooth. With bait as your payload you don't want to send the lead out 600' without it still attached.

May be wrong but this is my understanding.

Tommy
post #8 of 38
Interesting thread.

It is my opinion that the pendulum is a type of cast with the obvious thing being that you swing the lead above the shoulder.

However, no two people cast alike and as Bill says, he has tried several casters styles and then modifies them to suit him. This, to my mind is what we should be doing rather than blindly copying what suits someone else.

When I started competitive casting it was either long rod back casting or a short rod pendulum. I started using a long rod with a low reel in 1981 and never looked back, But, that was what suited me on the field.

A trip to Texas and some big reds convinced me very quickly that I should leave my field gear at home when I went fishing in the USA!!!

End of the day, if it works for you who cares what it's called! BB
post #9 of 38
"what makes it a "modified" Pendulum Cast? What's different between it and the "Tournament" Pendulum Cast?"

The amount of back swing and amount of rotation are the basic difference between the two . The tournament is a full bore balls to the wall cast , the fishing version is a more controlled effort at maybe 80% power .
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Interesting comment regarding controllable power there Conn.

Paul Kerry and I agreed years ago that on the field with his pendulum style - short rod, high reel and faster that the speed of light - he was able to control around 85 to 90 percent of his available power and still maintain control.

While I was struggling to control 80 percent with my much slower but more complex style of pendulum.

I would add that at the time Paul was - and still is - built like a racing snake while I was in the lumbering hippo class!

Just goes to show no two paeople cast the same, and shouldn't try - BB
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Yeh I am aware of using maximum power to cast will effect control . The 80% I refer to is compared to the level of power put into the tournament cast . I myself probably only cast at 80% of my maximum power level for tournament casting as I am more focused on technique and form than power . That would mean that my fishing pendulum is at about 60% of my maximum power level (very rough numbers ). as you are aware you could fall asleep in the time I take to turn and hit a pendulum cast ,I am like the tortise , slow and steady .
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Originally posted by connman:
"what makes it a "modified" Pendulum Cast? What's different between it and the "Tournament" Pendulum Cast?"

The amount of back swing and amount of rotation are the basic difference between the two . The tournament is a full bore balls to the wall cast , the fishing version is a more controlled effort at maybe 80% power .
He was demonstrating it by casting a 3 oz. Polaris Popper off of a beach. Why wouldn't he cast as hard as he could with that. I don't think anyone will use any kind of Pendulum Cast to cast bait.
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What Neil and I are talking about it that when you try to apply 100% of your available power , your technique can fall apart and thus you don't atually cast as far as the effort put in would lead you to believe . Every tournament caster will tell you their longest recored casts usually were very relaxed effortless casts .
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Amen to that!!! BB
post #15 of 38
conn aint that the truth! do you remember the story of my record cast?
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