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Circle hooks for blackfish?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
What do you guys think of circle hooks for toggin? What brand and size would you recommend (if any)? I'm gonna tie some rigs this week. Thanks!
post #2 of 24
my advice is to not use them for tog. if you can consistently land tog on circles, let us know.

there are times later in the season when tog do there "scratch and bump" routine, and I think about cirles, but then never tried them. from my experience, this is usually when its colder and in deeper water. you do not get the harder bites and circles may "seem" like a good choice, but I have not seen any good evidence that they work better. Ive seen guys experiment with them and I didnt like the results.

until I see someone nail more tog on cirles, I will not switch. I get pissed when a tog burries me! a cirle hook would probably drive me nuts!
post #3 of 24
I used circles a few times and hookups dropped drastically. I'm a firm believer that TOG just won't hook themselves. You gotta work 'em. I went to the Octopus style (Gami) and my hookup rated went up far exceeding the rate when I was using baitholders. Just my .02.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Okay I'll switch to the Octupus hooks. I was using the virginia style. Thanks!
post #5 of 24
I have tried lots of different hooks for Blackfish and even some circles, but I have never been able to catch one on a circle hook. For a circle hook to work the fish has to grab the bait and turn and run away with it. I don't think thats how Tog feed. They seem to stay put while they chew and spit then move on. You gotta stick them when the bait is in their mouth cause they don't seem to move when they eat like Stripers for example.
tnbr
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Any advice for someone using braid for the first time? I spooled up my TiCa Gemini with 300 yards of #50 Spiderwire Stealth.
post #7 of 24
Use a 10'~15' mono leader about 40# test tied to the braid as a shock absorber. Use an albright, alberto, or uni to uni knot to attach this leader. Go out in the woods and get a 1 ft. long stick about 1" in diameter. Use this stick to wrap around the line to break free when hoplessly hung up. Do not use your bare hands to pull on braid it will cut you. If this is your first time for braid get ready to feel every little nibble and peck as the line is very sensitive compaired to mono.
Good Luck
tnbr
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
Use a 10'~15' mono leader about 40# test tied to the braid as a shock absorber. Use an albright, alberto, or uni to uni knot to attach this leader.
Is this in addition to the fluoro leader? I was planning on using 10' of 40# fluoro with a simple overhand loop on the bottom for the sinker and a dropper loop several inches above for the hook (loop to loop connection).


Quote:
Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
Go out in the woods and get a 1 ft. long stick about 1" in diameter. Use this stick to wrap around the line to break free when hoplessly hung up.
Anything else I can use? I don't really have any woods around me (Brooklyn, NY).
post #9 of 24
I wouldn't use floro. Tog aren't leader shy and you want the heavier mono because of the abrasion protection if affords. Also, it's easier than braid to break off when you get hung up.

A piece of dowel will also work.
post #10 of 24
KoQ,
I would say TOG are leader shy. I changed from a mono leader to a flouro leader after my first four TOG trips this past spring and got a lot more action plus my personal best 12lbs 8oz. I snell a 4/0 Octopus on one end of a four foot piece of 60# flouro and tie a sinker dropper about ten inches from that then attach to my braid with a swivel. When hung bad, the flouro will mostly part at the swivel. Works for me.
post #11 of 24
That's interesting Fender. I'm by no means an expert, and anyone else I've ever talked to lamented my feelings. As a matter of fact, one sharpie gave me some "milkey whites" (?) so I could tie my own rigs. These are no where near as stealthy as floro. I don't have enough experience either way to formulate an opinion however.
post #12 of 24
96TL,
If you add 10' of flouro. you won't need the mono. In place of the stick cut a 6~12 inch peice of broom handle or wooden dowel.
tnbr
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm gonna try out the fluoro and see if there's any difference. I haven't done well on my last 2 trips but neither did the rest of the boat. Maybe the braid and fluoro will give me some better luck this time! Last time I was using straight 40# pink Ande with no leader.

tnbr, I'll chop up a broom handle tonight.
post #14 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by 96TL:
Any advice for someone using braid for the first time? I spooled up my TiCa Gemini with 300 yards of #50 Spiderwire Stealth.
As tnbr said, you'll feel everything. You'll have to learn the differences of bergall bites and patiently wait through them till you get that tog bite

Some people swear by fluro. I've never seen it outperform other mono when tog'n. I like the "milky white" strands of mono to snell the hooks on with, usually 40#test.

As to circle hooks, well, I tried them for tog and they just don't perform well. As mentioned by others, you need to set that hook into a blackfish usually with some force so that will negate the circle hooks benefits. They do work for seabass though.
post #15 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by topnbottomrig:
I don't think thats how Tog feed. They seem to stay put while they chew and spit then move on.
I used to SCUBA dive and it taught me to be a better Togpuller.

When they are actively feeding, much of the time their body attitude is vertical, head down, using their pectoral, dorsal and ventral fins for lateral movement (like a triggerfish).

They descend and rise over prospective food as much as a foot or so from the bottom; down, up, down, up. (18 inch leader ) When they find a tidbit it gets mouthed, they rise off the bottom, and if required, pass the item to the crushers. Some shell and debris falls out, (sometimes the hook) and they move off. It is this point where we feel that main tug we are waiting for.

This is why toggers initially feel bigger than they actually are and have that ability to get in the wreck or rock so fast . . . they are facing perfectly and completely opposite of our pull direction. This is also why circles don't work so well, by the time the hook has cammed enough to dig the point, it's pretty much completely out of the fish's mouth. This direction of pull is different from the 90 degrees a laterally traveling fish has and where circles excel.

Just remember, that fish is more than likely facing straight away from you when you set the hook.

Keep his head up has always been good advice!

OverTheBar
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