StripersOnline › SurfTalk › Stripers Online Forums › Main Forum › Harnell rods
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Harnell rods - Page 2

post #16 of 149
lol i think we need to call up mythbusters because everyone has something different to say about these rods and there builders
post #17 of 149
I just landed a new 9' one piece and a 10' conventional yesterday to add to the 2 I ready I have. I also have a 8' with the Harnell and South Bend logo I got for 20 buck. The butt is made of metal and is a ton. I could double it as a club. I wil be using that one as a peir rod. I also have a 11' footer 2 piece I bought at Berkley fleamarket.
post #18 of 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8ball View Post
Jean Harrington is alive and well in Missouri. Jean's nephew had been running the business until early 2004 when he was invloved in a motorcycle accident. All of the equipment that was used to build the rods is sitting in a barn out there and I have heard that it's for sale.


I am quite interested in this!!!! I googled but came up empty. Anyone know more. Who's selling?

Where can I search for more info?
post #19 of 149
Just to update the information and provide a little more correct posting. South Bend NEVER and I repeat NEVER had rights to Harnell. Actually Jean won a court case with them over them stealing the name and violating trademark laws. As for where the company is, I cannot disclose that at this time. Let's just say that Jean is still an active part of the company and they are not currently making blanks. There may still be in existance some blanks. I am currently researching everything. As for the name, Yes Har came from John's last name and the Nells came from Renells which was a business partner of John. For those that post make sure that you are correct on the information that you have. Alot of companies have been hurt by rumors and false statements. As for those that are looking for blanks or finished rods, keep an eye on the internet. There may be some oppertunities to find what you are looking for.

Take a kid fishing!!!!
post #20 of 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by TotemPoles32 View Post
Just to update the information and provide a little more correct posting. South Bend NEVER and I repeat NEVER had rights to Harnell. Actually Jean won a court case with them over them stealing the name and violating trademark laws. As for where the company is, I cannot disclose that at this time. Let's just say that Jean is still an active part of the company and they are not currently making blanks. There may still be in existance some blanks. I am currently researching everything. As for the name, Yes Har came from John's last name and the Nells came from Renells which was a business partner of John. For those that post make sure that you are correct on the information that you have. Alot of companies have been hurt by rumors and false statements. As for those that are looking for blanks or finished rods, keep an eye on the internet. There may be some oppertunities to find what you are looking for.

Take a kid fishing!!!!

Then I guess I have a that has both the Harnell and South Bend logo on them. If I could get my hands on one and they must be out there. Second who is making up rumors?
post #21 of 149
It is an indisputable fact that South Bend marketed rods with the Harnell name on them. Whether they did it legally or not doesn't change the fact that it took place.

And if John never gave them the rights, why did he market blanks under the Harrington label for quite a few years? Harnell was the #1 name in tubular fiberglass blanks back in the day---probably more highly regarded among fishermen than Lamiglas or Fenwick. Why would John have marketed blanks under a lesser-known name if he didn't have to? I've been around for awhile, and I know the quality of Harnell and their great reputation, but it wasn't until the internet came along and I started reading posts from guys in Texas about their "Herrington" customs that I figured it out myself, when I saw Harrington inside the old familiar fish outline after finding the harringtonrods.com web site.

I'm not questioning, just looking to clarify. Why would John have never gone to court on his own to re-acquire the name he built? Most people think that South Bend made a mockery of the name by putting it on junk. Yet, John just slapped a Harrington label on the blanks and went on. It wasn't until after he died that Jean took South Bend to court It just doesn't make sense.
post #22 of 149
Gladding / South Bend absolutely did produce and market Harnell Rods thru the mid-sixties and for some years thereafter. I own one so labeled which had been my Dad's (along with a couple Harrington Harnells) and I have an old tackle catalog featuring an insert of several glossy full color pages of the Gladding / South Bend Harnells. It's pretty preposterous to imply that Gladding / South Bend simply stole the name, designs and model numbers.

From an article written in 1979 - fourteen years prior to John Harrington's death and featured on Harrington Rod's own web pages...
....But despite these troubles, the company continued to prosper, and in 1950 it incorporated. According to John, they would have preferred to retain the partnership, but the insurance on himself was too costly. So in 1950, the firm came to be known as Harnell, Inc., a title that combined both men's last names.
For a time, the business went quite smoothly, until Rennells began to have personal difficulties and finally succeeded in persuading John to move the plant from Venice, California to Safford, Arizona. Looking back on it, John recalls this period as one of the lowest points in the company's history. Due to mismanagement and a host of related problems, they lost 40 percent of their business in one year. In an effort to salvage the company, John bought out his partner and moved the operation back to California into a section of Santa Monica. Unfortunately, he was unable to recoup the staggering financial losses. In 1962 alone, he lost about $22,000 of his own money. With his savings nearly depleted, John grudgingly accepted an offer by the Schultz Tool Company to buy the business. But Harrington never lost his love for the rod industry, and in 1965 he formed another partnership and opened a small plant in Oxnard, California, which has been his home base ever since. Due to legal considerations, he can no longer use the Harnell name, but it didn't take long for aficionados of fine glass rods to associate the Harrington label with a high quality product.


I do not know the specifics as to whether Schultz Tool Co. was a parent company of Gladding / South Bend or they re-sold the Harnell company tooling and name to Gladding / South Bend, but it is clear as a bell that John Harrington sold his compnay at a point and went on for years unable to use the Harnell name. Perhaps Jean Harrington sued to re-obtain the rights to the name with South Bend having made no use of it and letting it lie dormant for so long. TotemPoles32 had better get busy backing up his claim of theft. Or at least do some much better research in the future.
post #23 of 149
One thing is certain... the equipment is sitting somewhere unused and that is a shame.

I would love the opportunity to put them to use once again.
If word ever gets out that the equipment is in fact for sale, I would appreciate a PM very much....
post #24 of 149
OKay, as always the conversations go in all directions. As far as South Bend, The reason that John did not fight them was because he passed on before South Bend did their thing. Jean Harrington ( Wife ) was the one that took them to court. As for the question on Harrington rods. There was no difference between Harrington Rods and Harnell rods. Harnell was put on the rods primarily sold on the East coast and Harrington was put on the rods primarily sold on the west coast. Now when I inform you of the information that I pass on, remember, this is directly from Jean Harrington. I am in direct connection with Jean on a daily basis. As for Harrington rod company and the equipment and all, I will refrain at this time to discuss this. I am not here to cause an uproar and get anyone's feathers ruffled. Yes South Bend produced rods using the Harnell name. The problem is that as people that are aware, there is a vast difference between a Harrington/Harnell rod and a South Bend rod. I could start a whole new argument as to the quality but I will not. I will leave it at this, John Harrington was the first rod manufacturer in the world. The motto " in all the world no finer rod " say's it all..

Take a kid fishing..
post #25 of 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by TotemPoles32 View Post
OKay, as always the conversations go in all directions. As far as South Bend, The reason that John did not fight them was because he passed on before South Bend did their thing. Jean Harrington ( Wife ) was the one that took them to court. As for the question on Harrington rods. There was no difference between Harrington Rods and Harnell rods. Harnell was put on the rods primarily sold on the East coast and Harrington was put on the rods primarily sold on the west coast. Now when I inform you of the information that I pass on, remember, this is directly from Jean Harrington. I am in direct connection with Jean on a daily basis. As for Harrington rod company and the equipment and all, I will refrain at this time to discuss this. I am not here to cause an uproar and get anyone's feathers ruffled. Yes South Bend produced rods using the Harnell name. The problem is that as people that are aware, there is a vast difference between a Harrington/Harnell rod and a South Bend rod. I could start a whole new argument as to the quality but I will not. I will leave it at this, John Harrington was the first rod manufacturer in the world. The motto " in all the world no finer rod " say's it all..

Take a kid fishing..
Is it fair to say that Harnell name and equipment are not for sale. Or you are not at liberty to say? Then let me ask you this will we see Harnell rods ever again??
post #26 of 149
Bill Klien is correct. I am currently on the phone with Jean. The problem was trying to decypher the information from her and try and get it out to everyone.. OK here we go.. Horrock-Ibbison purchased the tools from Shultz.. Gladding/SouthBend bought Harnell in or around 1965. The problem was they were told to get with John and Jean to how to build the rods. They refused and thus never learned how to build a rod up to the quality that Harnell had carried. One of the big points to be made was that Harnell was never supposed to be white. Due to the lack of quality they were not able to carry on with the production and sales. At a later point the Shultz co. failed in their commitment with John Harrington. In 1986 Jean filed and obtained the Harnell name back where it began. At this point she produced rods with the Harnell name on it out of Oxnard, Ca. In 1999 South Bend was found to still be using the Harnell name and thus Jean had taken them to court due to them refusing to cease on using the name. She in turn won the rights to keep the name. I apologize for the confusion. If you only knew the amount of information I am working with. If I did not write as much as I can down, I would be lost. Jean has forgotten more than anyone of us will ever know in the business. I am at awe with her knowledge of everyone that has been in the rod manufacturing business in the last 50 years.
post #27 of 149
I cannot state anything at this point as I mentioned. I as everyone else that has used these rods would like to see the company producing the rods again. I personally have 6 rods in my rack that I use currently for salmon/sturgeon. I also have a few blanks that I have saved just in case I ever had a problem with my others. But as many know, I still have not needed them because my rods have held up.. I would tho like to know what sizes of rods everyone is still looking for. I am curious as to what you all use or would like to see as well as the area/region you fish. Do not give up on them yet.. Good things may come to those who wait.. I have included my e-mail addy for those that want to pm me..

TotemPoles32@aol.com
post #28 of 149
I have a 542 with the Harrington logo and a 540 with the Harnell brand on it.
post #29 of 149
I have a harnell 9' 706, a unmarked 11' 2 piece, 1 10' piece rewrapped and unfished, a 8' Harnell Southbend pier rod. I also another 10' and 8' boat rods stripped down to be rewrapped. I woud love to get a 540 and 542. It would be great if they would produced again.
post #30 of 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by TotemPoles32 View Post
I am curious as to what you all use or would like to see as well as the area/region you fish. Do not give up on them yet.. Good things may come to those who wait.. I have included my e-mail addy for those that want to pm me..

TotemPoles32@aol.com


Let's start with 542, 552 and 721
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Main Forum
StripersOnline › SurfTalk › Stripers Online Forums › Main Forum › Harnell rods