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What is the definition of the term "Googan"?

post #1 of 62
Thread Starter 
This is a bit long-winded, but bear with me....

So what, if any, is the proper definition of a googan? It's certainly not something that Merriam Webster might explain. So what's your perception of the term?

When I hear the term googan, I think of the folks that leave their litter, human waste, balls of tangled line or the sun-rotted fish that they killed and later decided that they didn't want. I think of folks who don't look around them to understand that there may be folks in a rotation at the end of a jetty and just barge out to the tip and squat down, or that they're way above the high tide mark on private beach properties or cutting through driveways upsetting the owners. I perceive googans to be folks who paddle a kayak into the path of a powerboat that is trolling a rip and then scream about their right of way, or the power boater that cuts-off or wakes the yak guy snotfully whispering to his buddy about his "right of weight". I'm talking about the folks who, when politely and respectfully corrected, take offense at the intrusion and either ignore the guidance or become defensive and aggressive.

I don't think of googans as new fishermen who make honest mistakes or seasonal folks with their big-box saltwater combos and the usual army of kids. As long as they are courteous and respectful of others and of the environmental issues they're fine folks and deserve to be there as well as the seasoned surf veteran.

Here's the reason that I ask:
I read with great interest, the editorial in the December issue of On The Water. Editor Chris Megan started out his article describing a surf-fishing trip with Steve McKenna and underwater filmmaker Mike Laptew. Though about halfway through the article it became clear that Chris was using the article to "spin" Steve McKenna as the ultimate fishing gentleman. It was a great job of pointing out the glaringly obvious. I have never met Mr. McKenna, but his reputation as a great surf fisherman and benevolent person precede him and I have never heard an unkind word about the man. I have, however, heard many folks (including myself) take issue with his article that pointed out details that, in most fishing circles (P.S. for the perpetually paranoid, this does not infer cliques or secret clubs) to be over-the-top. Big deal. The man made a mistake. I'm ok with that. Hopefully he'll be more cognizant of EVERY fisherman, not just new folks. God Bless the man and his skills. I don't think he needed Chris Megan's spin at all.

But what really gets stuck in my craw is that Chris Megan goes on to define the term "googan" without qualifying it as his understanding of the word for all of his reading audience. He has the audacity to look down the end of his nose at folks who use the term because HE is uncomfortable with HIS perception of the term.

Bottom line?
Steve McKenna is a great fisherman who wrote a questionable article. Everybody makes a mistake. I hope he doesn't repeat his outline in the future, but even if he did he'd still be a heckuva fisherman and a nice guy to his (ever widening) circle of acquaintances.

Chris Megan seems to be the self-appointed defender of the (perceived defensless) inexperienced fisherman, the definitive authority on subjective slang and seems to believe that those who use the term "googan" have anointed themselves with yet another loose slang term, "Sharpie". That just frosts my butt.

Chris is probably a nice guy. Maybe even a generous man. And possibly a good fisherman to boot. But he is certainly off the mark with his perception of me, my friends, and his own ideals regarding spot-burning and those who wish to preserve the dwindling rights or fishermen and cooperation with land owners that are forged by the long time surf guys.

Sorry for the rant - I'd probably see eye-to-eye with Mr. Megan on most fishing related topics. But in this editorial he makes assumptions about one population while condemning them for making assumptions about another.
I'm sure Chris meant well.
post #2 of 62
Thread Starter 
Correction:
Chris Megan is the Publisher of OTW magazine, not the Editor.

My appologies if this caused any confusion.
post #3 of 62
I always thought the term googan referred more to ones fishing inexperience.

A googan does what he does because he doesnt understand or was not taught the correct way to do it. Show a him the right way, he will follow.

If you remove the rod and reel from the person that litters, trespasses, or intentionally disrupts the system out on a jetty, they will still be an ignorant, inconsiderate fool.

RS

RS
post #4 of 62
My compliments to the original song writer -

Over hill, over dale
As we hit the beach trail,
And those White Buckets go rolling along.
In and out, hear them shout,
Counter march and right about,
And those White Buckets go rolling along.

Then it's hi! hi! hee!
Over the dune nimbly,
Shout out your presence loud and strong,
For where e'er you go,
You will always know
That those White Buckets go rolling along.

In the storm, in the night,
Action left or action right
See those white buckets go rolling along
Limber front, limber rear,
Prepare to mount your bucketeer
And those White Buckets go rolling along.

Was it high, was it low,
Where the hell did the fish go?
As those White Buckets go rolling along
Was it left, was it right,
Now we won't get home tonight
And those White Buckets go rolling along

March along, sing our song,
With the bucket brigade of the free
Count the brave, count the true,
Who have fought to victory
We're the Googans and proud of our name
We're the Googans and proudly proclaim

First to fight for the right,
And to show a white rods might,
And The White Buckets go Rolling Along
Proud of all we have done,
Fighting the battle's done,
And White Buckets go Rolling Along.

Then it's Hi! Hi! Hey!
The Googan's are on their way.
Count off the cadence loud and strong,
For where e'er we go,
You will always know
That The White Buckets keep Rolling Along.

Sandy Hook, Montauks ranks,
Hither Hill and Cape Cods tanks,
And The White Buckets go went rolling along
Minute men, from the start,
Always fighting from the heart,
And The White Buckets keep rolling along.

Men in rags, men who froze,
Still the Googans met their foes,
And The White Buckets went rolling along.
Faith in themselves that we're right,
And They'll fight with all their might,
As The White Buckets keep rolling along.


post #5 of 62
A googan is the guy with the reel upside down,fishing in shorts and sneakers. It has nothing to do with white buckets. Yes it is poking fun at the inexperienced, regardless of their intentions, thoughts, wishes, etc. It's not supposed to be based on anything factual, just perception. Being a goog has nothing to do with leaving trash or being inconsiderate - that is just a lowlife scumbag. A googan is a hack fishrman- whether from inexperience or pure stupidity. And for the record, it's an eastern Long Island term that whatever/whoever the guys from OTW are, have no clue of its useage.
post #6 of 62
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by roughseas0:
I always thought the term googan referred more to ones fishing inexperience.

A googan does what he does because he doesnt understand or was not taught the correct way to do it. Show a him the right way, he will follow.

If you remove the rod and reel from the person that litters, trespasses, or intentionally disrupts the system out on a jetty, they will still be an ignorant, inconsiderate fool.

RS

RS
Excellent points - That might be the more usual definition and if it is, I've been using the term very wrongly.

Admittedly, most of what I touched on have other proper descriptions (litterer, poacher, trespasser) minus the rod 'n reel and most are otherwise controlled by laws if there is an enforcement agent available.

Good insight!
post #7 of 62
Actually, I never heard the word until it was published in another magazine (not OTW). All of a sudden, if you didn't know the word, you must be an "outsider".

I believe the upside-down spinning reel metaphor was published in the original definition (theirs). Anything other than inexperience that has been added since then, ....well, has been added.

Cowboys have their "greenhorn" or "dude", and now, apparently, anglers have their "googan".

AMMO
post #8 of 62
Be careful, it actually makes him wretch, as does the term sharpie... he tiptoed thru the tulips around the real issue, and took a coded shot across someones bow, is my take on the read, but what do I know...
Oh well, it was just a motivator for me to follow thru and cancel my subscript...
If you read last months, he basically said that 85 % of the readers were boat fisherman, so I think we know where he sees the cash coming in from, and then again look at the ads (boats, boats, boats).... although, it was interesting to see a "beach buggy" article..

actually the term googan was popularized by a former writer for that mag, who went to another mag, and wrote some books, who is also a self proclaimed sharpie... me, I don't consider myself either, but even after 30 or so years of surf fishing, I'm probably still a goog at heart .. I'm just a slob who likes to fish, and........ NOT read spot reports... cause they make me wretch

BUT... I also think that this topic is a horse that has been Beat long after he Died... some "Get it", some don't, and some never will.............

I also hold nothing against Steve M. he is just a , well, dare I say "sharpie" who wrote an article for enuf $ to buy a coupla bags of groceries... the publisher and editor usually cut an article if they see fit, they didn't, and it ran...

let it be done with.
post #9 of 62
An inexperienced fisherman can admit he knows nothing, an experienced fisherman can admit he doesn't know everything.
post #10 of 62
guys who trespass litter and crap up the beach will always be BENNIES to me
post #11 of 62
The upside-down spinning reel has got to be the best determinant of googan status. Although hilarious, its not condemnable. The behavior that I find most abhorrent is when someone alters their fishing location in response to my catching....get your @ss back down the beach, the fish are everywhere, they're just not eating storm shads on 4oz. pyramids today.
post #12 of 62
Quote:
Originally posted by Oznavad:
A googan is the guy with the reel upside down,fishing in shorts and sneakers. It has nothing to do with white buckets. Yes it is poking fun at the inexperienced, regardless of their intentions, thoughts, wishes, etc. It's not supposed to be based on anything factual, just perception. Being a goog has nothing to do with leaving trash or being inconsiderate - that is just a lowlife scumbag. A googan is a hack fishrman- whether from inexperience or pure stupidity. And for the record, it's an eastern Long Island term that whatever/whoever the guys from OTW are, have no clue of its useage.
I was a googan- fishing the "Point" in jeans and sneakers. hehe
Maybe I still am?

Wait...I think Jack Yee called me a "Wabbit" this weekend. I've graduated from "Googan" to "Wabbit"!
post #13 of 62
dead sticking a storm shad as bait LOL
post #14 of 62
The bait fishing guy next to me who plopped down 20 feet away from me yesterday with NO ONE else on the beach! After I spoke with him, he moved 40 feet away.
post #15 of 62
Goog:

The ones who hang out in the parking lot dispensing their invaluable advise-talk a big game but never wet a line.

The ones who pull up to a beach give it a 2 minute look see then determine there are no fish here.

The ones who insist on standing 5 feet from me after I catch a fish.

The ones who tell you how it's been here for the last few days when you know damn well they were no where near this spot.

The ones who have the latest most expensive gear and couldn't cast to the other side of the street much less the feeding fish.

Shall I continue?

Pete
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