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#1 Big Bald Head

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Posted November 06 2004 - 3:36 PM

Without the search feature, I am at a loss...

Aren't there some pictures somewhere, or tying instructions, for Bob Pop's bucktail deciever? I seem to remember some excellent pics, but of course did not bookmark the URL.

Thanks in advance...

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#2 mrsunrise

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Posted November 06 2004 - 7:40 PM

I know it's in his book, which probably does'nt help ya. I think he does his on a long shank, I mostly use standard, like a 34007. Start by threading the shank to the bend, tie in bt(white is a good place to start) with a couple of wraps and then work the bt evenly around the shank. After securing bt add some flash, repeat process. Then start adding your color bt, still working it around the shank, use shorter hairs as you work up the shank. Use your needle to force some flexament into the cut end of the hair before you you tie, this will make it more durable. Hope this helps, maybe Bob will chime in with some good insight. Good luck.

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Posted November 09 2004 - 6:52 PM

Use a better hook.........

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Posted November 09 2004 - 9:02 PM

tom, care to chime in with your hook of choice? Thanks.

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Posted November 10 2004 - 8:25 AM

The mustad is fine as long as you touch it up with a file first.

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Posted November 10 2004 - 10:25 AM

Here ya' go. Change the colors of the bucktail as you wish, but this is how I do it.....

BT Deceiver Part 1

BT Deceiver Part 2

Good Luck!

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Posted November 10 2004 - 10:28 AM

And some hook info for you....
Fly Tying Hooks

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Posted November 10 2004 - 2:52 PM

That's the stuff! Thank you Gilbey.
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Posted November 10 2004 - 4:03 PM

I actually tie them a little differently than the links listed above. First, I use a long shank hook, like a Tiemco 911 or Mustad 34011 (or the sig series equivent --70S or something). I tie them the same way I tie a hollow fly, but without reversing the bucktail and with maybe more collars. For a hollow, I might tie 3-4 collars reverse tied, while for a BD, I might tie 5-6 with the tips of the hair facing back to start with. In Bob's book, I think the example has about six collars. Basically starting at the bend, you tie in successive collars of bucktail surrounding the shank, spaced a little farther apart in the beginning and getting closer together as you approach the hook's eye and also using shorter lengths of hair as you move up the shank. I surround the bucktail with flash between some of the collars and then use either tab prismatic eyes, or, if I'm feeling fancy, jungle cock eyes. Then, run the whole thing under hot water to shape it. The whole thing has a kind of tubular shape and ends up a little denser and less wide than a hollow fleye generally. I'll bring some of both to the Fling if I make it. I tried posting pics, but I got messages that my file was too big -- too many bytes or something. I need all the bites I can get!!!!!!

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Posted November 10 2004 - 4:11 PM

Jonny,

I'm on the same page as you when tying them.

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Posted November 10 2004 - 6:37 PM

I'm sorry that the BT Deceiver has never been written up with any instructions other than the book. I guess I better get my sh-t together. I just lost track.
My BT Deceiver is different then Tim's. It uses tapered selections of bucktail to create the taper and with multiple ties, enhancing the action. It can be tied with short shank hooks but I prefer the 4X long ones for the obvious size and shank length. Jonny describes the idea best in his post.
Sorry for the lack of info on the BT Deceiver but I just never thought about it!
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Posted November 10 2004 - 6:40 PM

Bob,
Fished next to you yesterday when you had the peanuts busting right at your feet, you looked like your drifting a nymph for a second until I saw the line go tight. What colors do you like with the peanuts around? I've been fishing Hollows, but haven't had as much success as I would like. Thanks~Darren

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Posted November 10 2004 - 11:44 PM

Darren:

I don't think the answer to your question is color in this case. Sometimes the best thing to do in a peanut bunker blitz is to just let the fly sit, no retrieve at all. Let it drift in the wash or even just sit on the bottom. The action of the material in the water is usually enough to trigger the strike. All but one of the fish that I had on monday on the fly were caught that way.

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Posted November 11 2004 - 5:31 AM

Thanks, Drew.

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Posted November 11 2004 - 4:36 PM

Darren,
I use all colors but the brighter the better!(it seems). They stand out better but I am also using a very large fleye about 7" to 8" and that seems more important than the color.
I was using a floating line and, if you can recall, there was a current swinging towards the jetty or from left to right. I retrieve the fleye VERY slow, letting the fleye swim. I mend when I must and then repeat at the end of the swing. The fleye is not simply floating along, rather it is swimming as the natural baits are. The bass were laying below in ambush and would bang the fleye as it swims by. I find that the floating line is so much more effective in this condition and its a bit more fun than a sinking type, I prefer it. The Bucktail Deceiver is deadly when used this way because the fleye has so much action built in. It is very seductive to say the least. The Hollow Fleye is similar in many respects as the BTD.
One other note here, I was testing a new rod for the surf and one of the advantages of the rod is in fishing this way. I am very pleased to say the rod was incredible.... and the testing process is finally over after two years of trial and error.
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