putty

We have met the enemy- and he is us.

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Just following up on a post from FishRatz that made me think about some of the posts over the last couple days and the "solutions" people are mentioning.  I selfishly didn't want it to get buried in one of the dozen ongoing "canal" related threads, so decided to pull it out and start a new one.  He mentioned at the close of a post:

"The real issue being complained here is about crowds, not the well being of the species."

And therein lies the problem in my mind.

I am and continue to be under the impression that most of the complaining and outrage should be DIRECTLY related to the well being of the species.  The amount of prime breeding stock (20-40# class) female striped bass that is hammered and/or harvested along the banks of the canal on these moon tides is nauseating.  It seems most people want to have their picture up on Insta-face social media for clicks/likes, and share a report of a hot bite to be revered as a "Sharpie" in their local tackle shop or social circles. 

The lack of respect for this species displayed along the banks of the canal the last few years is frankly disgusting- and whether any of us individually are responsible for it does not matter-  at the end of the day we are ALL contributors to the issue as this is unfortunately what WE have allowed the "sport" to become. 

Too often we see/read/hear about these fish kept out of the water for minutes at a time while they snap a series of action shots and then thrown back into the water will little to no effort put into reviving the fish prior to release and they go belly up 10 feet downstream.  Or alternatively these fish are harvested for the glory ride back to their cars (because you are clearly a "googan" if you don't have a 25# fish strapped to your canal cruiser), and then these fish are either thrown in the trash, or given to neighbors (who then throw them in the trash). 

Don't give me the back of the napkin math showing 0.0023% of the total annual harvest came out of the canal this weekend crap...or whatever the figure is...its irrelevant to the topic.

I go back to a personal observation from Thursday AM, where a family of 6 was dragging 4 20-25# bass down the service road back to their car.  Do the parents who brought their kids down to enjoy a day of fishing educate them that these fish they are harvesting had been running this gauntlet of a shoreline migration for as long as their 10-12 year old sons have been alive?   Just to be harvested on a whim and killed because they are legally able to do it? What the hell is a family of 6 going to do with all that fish they harvested, besides give it away, or trash it in a few weeks once its freezer burned.

The thought that money is not primary driver to a good number of these anglers engaging in nefarious acts along the ditch is naïve at best, and I believe the black/grey market is flush with cash and equipped with an open door policy to receiving any fish they can purchase for less than wholesale costs.  The idea that guys who are looking for a quick easy buck can fish the canal and harvest a couple 30# class fish and get $100 or a few free meals from the backdoor of their local restaurant turns my stomach...and dollars to donuts leads me to speculate this market is flourishing right now.

The price tag on the heads of these (relatively) easy to catch fish certainly does not help any of those who are "game fish" minded.  As a whole, I really have no objection to the MA commercial striped bass industry.  I couldn't even begin to speculate what percentage of commercial anglers with licenses fish the canal, or what percentage of those anglers engage in less than honest harvest for personal profit. I do think it is strange optics to have a commercial guy standing right next to a recreational angler on the canal, and watching the commercial angler being able to walk back to his car with 2 fish and the recreational angler can only legally harvest one (yes I understand its the same with a commercial boat harvesting 15 fish next to a recreational boat able to harvest 1).

Look-  the canal is burnt.  period.  There is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.  New Moon tides will be a gigantic cluster$&% of people from all walks of life from May-October in perpetuity until we kill them all or these fish finally smarten up and take up another migration pattern

go ahead and reply and tell me the stocks are fine and we are all Chicken Littles proclaiming the sky is falling...all I know is what I see in the areas I fish and call home- lots of 18-22", a few 28-32", and nothing else...and only 20-40# breeders in the canal...this does not depict a healthy fishery in my uneducated opinion...I just see lots and lots of people outside of the canal complaining about empty water and it seems to only be getting worse.
And the end of the day...these rants will go nowhere...just yelling into the ether helps no one and only breeds vitriol and divides the angler base who all seem to want different things from the committees who manage the fisheries :soapbox:
You may now to back to complaining about the WalMart gear, white buckets, and the crowds who are fishing them...which are all clearly more important than the fish we are all targeting itself.

The lack of personal self control, lack of appreciation for the existing bounty of mother nature, lack of common courtesy, lack of interest to be a good steward to the future generations...We have met the enemy and he is us.

Putty

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I read the first two paragraphs. I’m not concerned about the crowds if they didn’t act like pigs with there trash, respect the fishery and play by the rules/laws

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1 hour ago, bassturds said:

they should require a sticker to park  along the canal like  a beach sticker

seriously, how exactly would that work ?

don't give the govt any ideas they might take you up on it

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8 mins ago, capequahog said:

seriously, how exactly would that work ?

don't give the govt any ideas they might take you up on it

Yeah, no.  Eff that.

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1 hour ago, bassturds said:

they should require a sticker to park  along the canal like  a beach sticker

for what reason so we pay more to fish? it wouldn't change a thing. The canal isn't for fishing, people that like to bike, hike or go to the parks, now they should have to pay for parking too?

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5 mins ago, capequahog said:

seriously, how exactly would that work ?

don't give the govt any ideas they might take you up on it

In another time stickers were needed to park and fish at all parking areas. So that is nothing new and a realistic happening in some locations. Since it was the Army Corp giving them out they would leave a warning and then  fine, upon which you would see the local federal judge and paY THE COST.  the PERMITS WERE RATIONED OUT AS i RECALL TO A GIVEN NUMBER . uNDERSTANDING THAT NOT AS MANY WERE DRIVING HERE AS WE HAVE NOW IT MIGHT WELL BE SOME OTHER IDEA OR VARIATION OF IT

 

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18 hours ago, putty said:

Just following up on a post from FishRatz that made me think about some of the posts over the last couple days and the "solutions" people are mentioning.  I selfishly didn't want it to get buried in one of the dozen ongoing "canal" related threads, so decided to pull it out and start a new one.  He mentioned at the close of a post:

"The real issue being complained here is about crowds, not the well being of the species."

And therein lies the problem in my mind.

I am and continue to be under the impression that most of the complaining and outrage should be DIRECTLY related to the well being of the species.  

(SNIP)

Putty

Just to be clear, seeing as you are quoting me.......my comment was regarding my observations that the complaints were 'poorly' focused on the crowd factor.

I am in favor of measures that are for the well being of the species, and I could care less about the crowds.

But don't go changing fishing regulations with retention allowed based on trying to control crowds.

 

 

 

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2 mins ago, FishRatz said:

Just to be clear, seeing as you are quoting me.......my comment was regarding my observations that the complaints were 'poorly' focused on the crowd factor.

I am in favor of measures that are for the well being of the species, and I could care less about the crowds.

But don't go changing fishing regulations with retention allowed based on trying to control crowds.

 

 

 

Agree. Huge crowds and large numbers of trophy fish require additional EPO enforcement not crowd control enforcement. Beefed up enforcement in key areas would likely see a slight reduction in crowd size simply due to the increased EPO presence. This would be a good start.

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I could care less about the crowds to be honest- it is what it is. I know enough to avoid the ditch for 95% of my fishing, and if I do get an itch it certainly isn't on a weekend dealing with dawn breaking tides and dealing with everything that comes with it.  Your post was one of the few that mentioned the well being of the fish and educating the anglers who are fishing for them to appreciate the resource and understand the lifecycles of these slow growing fish.

 

 

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As it stands at this moment in time the Environmental Police are at the lowest level of manpower in a very long time. For what ever reason it has not been good for the environment that our striped bass swim in. As has been indicated by Bob in order to obtain more enforcement along the canal it self the  Army Corp must pay the epo for 8 hours work , they also do not have budget money for this a s well. So that comes to more peer pressure of what ever kind if any changes are to be made that actually benefit the resource itself from all of this mayhem.

 

Petty over the years many here have championed for more educational practices that concentrate on the ethical well being of the individual as well as the concerns this will do to the resource itself . It comes down to whether or not  these folks learn how to respect it or not . We do need more to show this respect and also become more vocal towards those goals/. Unfortunately for some they get a character assassination by some here and elsewhere when  discussion are about following the laws , no matter what those laws are or who they are for. You support ethical behavior by following all the laws and not just fishing laws.

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1 hour ago, Angler #1 said:

In another time stickers were needed to park and fish at all parking areas. So that is nothing new and a realistic happening in some locations. Since it was the Army Corp giving them out they would leave a warning and then  fine, upon which you would see the local federal judge and paY THE COST.  the PERMITS WERE RATIONED OUT AS i RECALL TO A GIVEN NUMBER . uNDERSTANDING THAT NOT AS MANY WERE DRIVING HERE AS WE HAVE NOW IT MIGHT WELL BE SOME OTHER IDEA OR VARIATION OF IT

 

 and by another time you mean what WW1, WW2, the Spanish American War 

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Paying to park would solve a lot of problems. It would limit some of the people that go there and it would also create a revenue stream to pay for maintenance, trash pickup, enforcement, etc. you have to pay to play everywhere else in MA so why not at the canal too. 

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2 hours ago, capequahog said:

 and by another time you mean what WW1, WW2, the Spanish American War 

John I know that your time on the canal is very limited, but that question was answered  to you personally when you began to fish the East End at those beginning stages. So I will remind you it was during WW2 and any one else who may feel that is the relative point of the answer I gave above to a question about waking up the Army Corp to putting in place parking permits. This is a another issue and not parking fees as was mentioned. Permits can distributed without a personal cost  or a simple maintence charge .

The recent onslaught of those parking along a main road, like 6a is presently being considered as being banned due to the accidents and unsafe road conditions when it occurs that along with the placement of a fence to reduce the foot traffic along the length of the railroad tracks on the cape side may become a reality , so far personal efforts and discussions with the local political powers have kept that from happening .

John are you still playing cribbage , or are those times of the past for you>?

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The neighborhood ticketing by the local police has commenced, as to cribbage I was occasionally lucky but probably not very good :dismay:

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