Otshawytsha

Should My Line Roller Be Perpendicular to Top Top of Spool?

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This is a Battle II 4000, a few weeks old. I'm noticing that the line roller, when the bail is closed, is not perpendicular to the top of my spool. By perpendicular I mean when you hold the reel level, with the spool horizontal, the line roller isn't on the vertical line. It's a few degrees to the left of vertical. 

 

As a consequence, the line coming off the spool and through the line roller is not parallel to the line roller--it goes across the roller at a slight angle too. 

 

I don't see how this can happen because the orientation of the line roller seems determined by the mold they would make the rotor assembly in.

 

So I'm wondering if it's right?

 

Note: due to line lay issues, I added the larger supplied washer with the reel to the place it's supposed to go under the bearing. Is it possible that I have. 

 

I notice that the way the line roller rotates it raises the bottom of the line roller up a bit higher than it would if it stopped at the vertical. And I have some line lay issues--have a bit of of taper at the bottom that I don't like, bit of a bulge above the bottom. 

 

Thanks for any reassurance on this issue.   

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Finally getting around to this as fishing season rolls around. Sorry for not posting sooner. 

 

To me it looks like the bail is over rotating past the point where the line roller guide ought to be. You can see the line doesn't line up with the roller but is at a slight angle to it. 

 

I'm having a problem with getting correct line lay. Have tried the washers included with the reel. Hasn't helped. 

 

Kind of feel like if the bail didn't rotate as far, the line would lay lower down on the reel, perhaps solving that problem. 

 

But I don't know reels so would appreciate your help! Thanks in advance. 

 

 

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I don't get it. Why does the line roller position have anything to do with when the line coming off the spool? Unless you mean the spool itself is angled ?

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Because the way the line roller is angled the line will never reach the top of the spool unless he takes a shim out which might might cause the same gap on the bottom. It does look a little bottom heavy. Try removing half a shim and see if it improves.

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3 hours ago, faithless said:

Because the way the line roller is angled the line will never reach the top of the spool unless he takes a shim out which might might cause the same gap on the bottom. It does look a little bottom heavy. Try removing half a shim and see if it improves.

What he said and put some more line on the spool, looks under filled.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. It might be hard to see but there is actually a gap at the bottom of the spool as well as the top of the spool. The line sort of has a bulge in the middle    

 

10 hours ago, faithless said:

Because the way the line roller is angled the line will never reach the top of the spool unless he takes a shim out which might might cause the same gap on the bottom. It does look a little bottom heavy. Try removing half a shim and see if it improves.

This is right. I tried with two thin shims under the spool I still had a gap at the bottom and the spool was top heavy. Took off one of the thin ones and added the thick one Penn includes in the reel box. I still have a gap at the bottom.

 

If I took the spool off so you could see the shaft you would see the same deal with the line roller angle. It's at the same angle. So I don't think the problem is the spool sitting unevenly.

 

If the bail didn't rotate so far down, the line roller would be more vertical, and that would put the bottom of the roller farther down on the spool. Thus it would lay line farther down the spool. 

 

Given that the line is coming out of the line roller at that odd angle it makes me think something is wrong with the angle of the whole bail assembly--seems to be rotating too far. 

 

Hopefully Tony can advise when he visits the site next.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/14/2018 at 11:14 PM, Otshawytsha said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. It might be hard to see but there is actually a gap at the bottom of the spool as well as the top of the spool. The line sort of has a bulge in the middle    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you have is actually a subtle hour glass profile. 

 

Have you tried different brand/heavier braids?

 

 

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It does look like its angled down slightly, try removing the line roller screw and re-adjusting the wire up and tighten the screw back up.

 

tony

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Tony, When you say the wire you mean the bail wire? Where should I bend it? 

 

I did take out the line roller screw and fussed a bit with the whole thing just lifting the bail wire as I screwed it back in and there wasn't a notable change. 

 

I went to the tackle shop and looked at a few Battle II 5000 that are on combos and to my eye their line rollers looked vertically oriented or parallel to the main shaft. 

 

I have attached a few more photos including one showing how the line roller and bail are angled a bit in relation to the main shaft. 

 

 

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On 2/27/2018 at 3:20 AM, sytheteacher said:

That reel looks good to me.. These reels are not Swiss watches..

I don't know, sy, the problem is not the look to me but the fact that I can't get the thing to lay line all the way down to the bottom of the reel without leaving a huge gap at the top. 

 

As for looks, don't you think it's odd that there's an angle in the braid where it comes off the line roller and goes up to the the rod tip? 

 

I looked at the reels in West Marine for this line--but the next size up. Two of them I could see on rods, the line rollers lined up parallel with vertical lines like the edge of the spool rather than being at angle. When you fiddle with the bail, you can see that when it rotates closed and the line roller passes vertical, the bottom of the line roller rotates up by a palpable amount. Perhaps enough to explain issues. 

 

But I would still like to find out what the normal factory condition for the deal is? 

 

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It is really difficult to tell based on the pictures.  We can send you a replacement bail arm to see if that helps?  Other option would be sending it in and we will take a look at it for you.

 

tony

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If you put tension on the line does it make it line up better ? Like your tring to check your drag . If it stays the same i would think either that little tit on the bail arm is in the wrong spot or what that bolts to is off in machining . I think its called the rotor . That being said there isn't a build up of crap were that bolts on stopping it from traveling all the way back ?

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