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Correlation between Rip Current Deaths and Beach Replenishment?

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
LETTER: MORE RIP CURRENTS: WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHY
SIERRA CLUB’S TITTEL: PROBLEM COMBINATION OF MORE SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS & BEACH REPLENISHMENT PROJECTS

By Asbury Park Sun
 

Editor, Asbury Park Sun,
We are concerned that we have seen more rip currents this year and more people have died as a result.
[Rip currents have killed eight people at New Jersey beaches this year — the most since the National Weather Service began tracking rip current-related fatalities in 1998. The second-highest was six deaths in 2008 with the third-highest in 2012 with five deaths.]


We believe we should do more to investigate the cause of the rip tides so more people can enjoy the summer instead of risking their lives. A major part of the problem is a combination of more severe weather events and all of the beach replenishment projects we have down along the coast. While we are seeing hotter summers, and more tropical storms coming up our coast, man is also changing our beaches. We really need to look at the consequences to beach replenishment and how man is manufacturing our beaches. We are concerned that the Army Corps of Engineers were supposed to do a study on this, but they didn’t because they are in the business of pumping the sand on the beach. What they are doing is changing the natural conditions, which is putting more people at risk. 


Coastal research centers have done studies that linked beach replenishment projects to changes in the physical dynamics of the beach. These projects change the angle of the sand, causing steeper slopes and more waves. This leads to the sand bar disappearing and more dangerous waves. When the beach erodes, the descent is flatter. Many surfers and lifeguards have noticed the same pattern. We also need a lot more education on to make sure people aren’t swimming during the rip tides and give people information about what to do if they get caught in one like swimming parallel to the beach.


Army Corps may say there is no correlation, but they have never seen a beach they didn’t want to pump sand on. The problem is all of the people who say there is no connection are actually connected to the beach replenishment projects in some way. Back in 2008, there was almost as many dangerous rip currents and deaths. This was also a lot of beach replenishment happening between 2007-2008. As a result, Senator Lautenberg asked for an independent study and they never did one. It is time that this issue is really looked at seriously and independently before we continue with these dangerous projects.


While the Christie Administration has been out their denying the science of climate change, they have also denied the science on our beaches. Instead of building actual dunes to fortify our beaches and protect from storm events, the Christie Administration has pumped sand on a beach. These projects have given a false sense of security, while our taxpayer dollars are washed out to sea because during the next storm. We have even seen health risks from ponding water that can help breed mosquitoes that cause disease. The Christie Administration’s continuing denial of climate change and real science is a denial of our future. Instead of creating flood storage areas, moving people out of harm’s way, stopping flooding vulnerable areas, and elevating to safe levels, the Christie Administration has made us more vulnerable. Now we must determine if these projects are in fact causing more life-threatening rip currents before we move forward.


Jeff Tittel,
Director of the New Jersey Sierra Club 

Edited by Sudsy

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Well how about that - and no, I'm not Jeff Tittel! LOL

I actually emailed the author of the article - never responded.  Crack reporting... :dismay:

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On 10/12/2017 at 0:31 PM, daves745t said:

Well how about that - and no, I'm not Jeff Tittel! LOL

I actually emailed the author of the article - never responded.  Crack reporting... :dismay:

Tittle is a politician.

 

 

 

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On 10/11/2017 at 1:23 PM, Sudsy said:

 

...A major part of the problem is a combination of more severe weather events and all of the beach replenishment projects we have down along the coast. While we are seeing hotter summers, and more tropical storms coming up our coast, ...

Jeff Tittel,
Director of the New Jersey Sierra Club 

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11 hours ago, 55555s said:

Tittle is a politician.

 

 

 

Ok....so Tittle is a politician. Two things: 

1) in his position as Director of the NJ Sierra Club, are you somehow shocked by that?  That's like saying Aaron Judge is a baseball player.  What you're really saying is that he's politically savvy, if he wasn't, I suggest he wouldn't be able to do his job. 

 

2) I don't necessarily agree with everything Tittle says or does, but you suggest that because he said it, it has no validity.  That's silly when over the course of three separate posts you say nothing but what he's already said. 

 

Clearly different people/groups are concerned & asking the same question. I think that warrants further analysis instead of meaningless inferences. 

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7 hours ago, part cork said:

We need some politicians against sand pumping.

 

That money train is already well lubed and in full play.  

 

There's no good political angle against it.  Its like saying dont help Puerto Rico with storm recovery.   

 

FWIW-  I am very much opposed to pumping sand and most other attempts at rebuilding sand castles on sand bars.  

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11 hours ago, daves745t said:

...but you suggest that because he said it, it has no validity.  That's silly when over the course of three separate posts you say nothing but what he's already said. 

 

 

No.  Nope.   That isnt the case and thats not what I posted.  

 

Tittle says we are experiencing greater storm activity.  I am posting some sources of data, and suggesting others dont merely take him at his word.  

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Posted (edited)

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OC Beach replenishment...............and our money.....yesterday.
Redesign and rebuild our jetties , then pump sand once.....job completed.
Edited by Mr. Bigdeal

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10 hours ago, 55555s said:

 

That money train is already well lubed and in full play.  

 

There's no good political angle against it.  Its like saying dont help Puerto Rico with storm recovery.   

 

FWIW-  I am very much opposed to pumping sand and most other attempts at rebuilding sand castles on sand bars.  

I don't disagree but any opposition is better than  "keep up the good work, where's that dotted line"

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17 hours ago, 55555s said:

 

That money train is already well lubed and in full play.  

 

There's no good political angle against it.  Its like saying dont help Puerto Rico with storm recovery.   

 

FWIW-  I am very much opposed to pumping sand and most other attempts at rebuilding sand castles on sand bars.  

Sadly, I completely agree. It's the most ridiculous money grab I've probably ever seen.

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On 10/15/2017 at 4:30 PM, part cork said:

We need some politicians against sand pumping.

 

17 hours ago, 55555s said:

 

That money train is already well lubed and in full play.  

 

There's no good political angle against it.  Its like saying dont help Puerto Rico with storm recovery.   

 

FWIW-  I am very much opposed to pumping sand and most other attempts at rebuilding sand castles on sand bars.  

Maybe if people were made to realize that beach replenishment has NOTHING to do with protecting infrastructure !

What it's really about is "protecting land mass, you know, the global warming thing" which is a direct quote from an army corps engineer from a converstation with me following a meeting at Pallone's office over saving the jetties 

 

Don't believe it. here's more proof, this is the ACOE study in 1989 that began the entire beach replenishment project. They just had to wait for a good storm to get the project rolling as they knew the public would never back spending that kind of money knowing that it had nothing to do with protecting homes

 

EPA study on replenshment 1989 rtc_leatherman_nourishment.pdf

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17 hours ago, 55555s said:

 

No.  Nope.   That isnt the case and thats not what I posted.  

 

Tittle says we are experiencing greater storm activity.  I am posting some sources of data, and suggesting others dont merely take him at his word.  

I'm a little confused by what you're saying, but that's OK....

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9 hours ago, part cork said:

I don't disagree but any opposition is better than  "keep up the good work, where's that dotted line"

 

Yes, I cant disagree with you there either.  

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