njdiver Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) INCIDENTAL HARASSMENT AUTHORIZATION ...to take marine mammals, by harassment, incidental to a marine geophysical survey conducted by the RIV Marcus . G. Langseth (Langseth) marine geophysical survey in the Atlantic Ocean offshore New Jersey, June through August, 2015. http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/permits/incidental/research/ldeo_nj_iha_signed_5.7.15.pdf https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/04/01/2015-07429/takes-of-marine-mammals-incidental-to-specified-activities-taking-marine-mammals-incidental-to-the Edited May 12, 2015 by njdiver Rather be diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocco Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 i see the fed are testing some kind of weapons, but what the **** is rutgers doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderDrake Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 i see the fed are testing some kind of weapons, but what the **** is rutgers doing? Hello Rocco, Yours a fair question, and until NJDIVER get's to your query, I'd like to post for you the Rutgers web page that describes what they are doing. The headline is "Scientists to Study Sea-Level Rise and Shoreline Resilience" and the web page fairly presents an outline of an ongoing research project that makes sense in terms of the broader IODP research into the history of Earth. When reading this, it becomes clear that this project is neither military nor oil & gas, but is instead an aspect of basic scientific research coordinated by Greg Mountain at Rutgers. Do let me know if this web reference answers your question? http://eps.rutgers.edu/slin3d-home RD http://eps.rutgers.edu/slin3d-home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocco Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 interesting. a lot to read and digest there. thanks for the link RaiderDrake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bido Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ain't buying it. I think they are looking for oil as well. It's done the same way with seismic surveys. Wait until the dolphins start washing ashore dead in the name of this silly study. "Where is my mind? Waaaaay out in the water see it swimming?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocco Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Ain't buying it. I think they are looking for oil as well. It's done the same way with seismic surveys. Wait until the dolphins start washing ashore dead in the name of this silly study. the FAQ at the link raiderdrake posted addresses that. i'm not that deep into this story (yet) and might never be, but the NSF is funding the project and it is a peer-reviewed process, which puts me a bit at ease. not saying that its not possible, but that would suggest a fairly extensive and corrupt network to make this a conspiracy for me. definitely worth digging a little deeper when i get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Wagen Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Ain't buying it. I think they are looking for oil as well. It's done the same way with seismic surveys. Wait until the dolphins start washing ashore dead in the name of this silly study. Some Oil Co.(s) will use that data for their advantage. If oil is found they will find a way to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderDrake Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Some Oil Co.(s) will use that data for their advantage. If oil is found they will find a way to get it. The concern that some oil companies will use the data has often been restated in fora opposing the Rutgers project. It should be understood that the scientists involved already know that there is no oil or gas in the area. The website Q & A explains how the scientists know. It also explains what happens with the data supported by the NSF. There might be legitimate concerns about sound in the water column affecting marine life, but the issue of oil & gas is really irrelevant. http://eps.rutgers.edu/slin3d-home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimS Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't 180dB kill every living thing in the area? TimS Show someone how to catch striped bass and they'll be ready to fish anywhere. Show someone where to go striped bass fishing and you'll have a desperate report chaser with loose lips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderDrake Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't 180dB kill every living thing in the area? TimS It's a good question. 200 dB is the loudness of a large boat at source. I am sure that any (or some kinds of) fish near the source would have serious problems, particularly if they were constantly near that source. I am not coming to stripersonline to assert that sound in the sea is harmless. The actual sound of the Langseth is, as I understand it, in the same league as that of a supertanker--at source. What happens to the sound in the water column? What is the sound when it reaches sub-sea sand? How long is that transient sound in one place? People who have worked with seismic technology within the non-oil/gas field describe uniformely that some fish do flee, but they return. Similarly, the total mass of catch is not significantly reduced in proximity to research of the scale of the R/V Langseth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't 180dB kill every living thing in the area? TimS I can yell louder than that. RaiderDrake 1 "Depend not on fortune, but on conduct." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdiver Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Lamont-Doherty and NSF Seismic Survey in the NW Atlantic Ocean offshore NJ, Summer 2015 Status ACTIVE Public Comment Period closed Issued Date 05/07/15 Effective Dates 06/01/2015 - 08/31/2015 SUMMARY: We have issued an IHA to Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, in collaboration with the National Science Foundation, and Rutgers University to take, by Level B harassment only, marine mammals, incidental to conducting a marine seismic survey in the northwest Atlantic Ocean off the New Jersey coast in summer 2015. Incidental Take Authorization Documents: IHA Application [pdf] Federal Register notice of Proposed IHA References [pdf] Public Comments [pdf] Issued IHA[pdf] Federal Register notice of Issued IHA Environmental Analyses: National Science Foundation's 2014 Draft Amended EA [pdf] NSF's 2014 Final EA [pdf] NMFS' 2015 EA [pdf] NMFS' FONSI [pdf] http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/permits/incidental/research.htm#nj2015 Edited May 19, 2015 by njdiver Rather be diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChumSlickJon Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I can yell louder than that. We have to whisper on the sod banks or else the fish flee. Delete from SOL_Users where username like 'wasy','Seal'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdiver Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 The “Final Amended Environmental Assessment of a Marine Geophysical Survey by the R/V Marcus G. Langseth in the Atlantic Ocean off New Jersey, Summer 2015” is now available at:http://www.nsf.gov/geo/oce/envcomp/nj-seismic-research/summer2015/amended-mountain-nj-margin-ea-final-revised.pdf Rather be diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdiver Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 R/V Marcus G. Langseth. She is on the move! Presently in the East River going under the Manhattan Bridge heading South. Rather be diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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