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#1 alex212

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Posted August 26 2013 - 4:50 PM

How many of you use a steel head / salmon rod when striper or surf fishing? I've gone steel head and salmon fishing in upstate NY, but unfortunately had my spinning gear stolen on the last day of my trip the last time I was up there. Anyway I've always enjoyed light tackle approach, hooking up with a steel head on the Niagara river and easing them in is a blast. Now as i look to replace my gear I was reading a few older posts and was interested in hearing what size rods (length, power, lure size) you guys were using as I'd like to be able to use it in the surf or back bay and the very occasional steel head / salmon trip.

I'm thinking going with an 8'6" lure weight 3/8 ~ 1 1/2. The Okuma SST seems like a lot of value for the price. Would like to hear what you guys use.

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Posted August 26 2013 - 5:02 PM

I built my own from a St Croix 8'6" Avid Salmon/Steelhead rod blank and love it - I also have St Croix's Wild River that is given the same ratings (which is 8-17 lb test...this one being factory made) and the blank is noticeably more flimsy than the Avid counterpart....I've caught stripers over 40", bigger jacks and 'school' sized tarpon down in FL as well as false albacore on the Avid and can't say enough about it....Although I believe it's only rated to 1 1/2 oz, I was easily humming around a 2oz crippled herring down at the cape cod canal yesterday (and throw cast masters, the other day I was throwing around a 21 gm maria jig and I often throw soft plastics rigged 1/2 oz heads...I initially got this rod because I thought it would be a great albie rod (and it is)

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Posted August 26 2013 - 5:16 PM

Actually i thought about building my own, but going St. Croix is out of my price range at the moment though I wish I could. I have an Avid 10' surf 3/4 - 4 previous version. Love that rod.

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Posted August 26 2013 - 6:02 PM


I have an 8'6" steelhead rod.  Its only rated 1/2 to 1oz , the sweet spot is 7/8 to 1 oz, and does rather poorly with anything over 1 1/2.  



 



That said, its a little light, but it fills the role of light surf rig so far.    



 



I do enjoy using it w/ a 712z and 14lb or 20lb fireline.    It weighs nothing,  does well with an SP,  1oz bucktail, and really zings the 7/8oz diamond jig.  The price was so low as to be comical.  (I dont have a lot of money tied up in surf rods.)  



 



No lunkers with it yet.  



 



I'm curious as to how many others use SH / salmon rods on the surf as well.  


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Posted August 26 2013 - 6:59 PM

Batson sh1026-2. Wonderfully light amd sensitive 1/2 to 1 1/2 rod. Just dont build it with heavy guides and components, that will kill the action - same goes for any salmon/steelhead blank. Think single foot fly guides :th:
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Posted August 27 2013 - 4:55 PM


Which of the St Croix Wild river rods do you recommend for steelhead river fishing?




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Posted August 27 2013 - 4:59 PM

Which of the St Croix Wild river rods do you recommend for steelhead river fishing?


Probably the 10' in the 2-6 lb range - I haven't been yet but just bought a different brand with these same specs based off the suggestion of someone who frequently hits the Lake Ontario tribs in the fall for steelhead with very good success

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Posted August 28 2013 - 7:33 AM


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Probably the 10' in the 2-6 lb range - I haven't been yet but just bought a different brand with these same specs based off the suggestion of someone who frequently hits the Lake Ontario tribs in the fall for steelhead with very good success



 



This seems a bit heavy.  Most Steelhead lures I've seen at 1/4 to 3/4oz.  Wouldnt this rod be an overkill?  Also, wouldnt a very slow rod be more fun for this type of fishing, or would a fast rod be better?



 



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Posted August 28 2013 - 7:37 AM


Nevermind.  I see you probably meant line weight of 2-6.  Would the slow 10'6" rod be a good choice?  Not sure about the #2 handle through? 



 



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Model

Length

Power

Action

PCS

Line Weight

Lure Weight

Rod Weight

Handle

Price

*WRS86MF2

8'6"

M

Fast

2

8 - 12

1/4 - 3/4

5.6

1

$ 170

*WRS86MHF2

8'6"

MH

Fast

2

10 - 17

3/8 - 1

5.2

1

$ 170

*WRS86HF2

8'6"

H

Fast

2

12 - 25

1/2 - 2

6.1

1

$ 180

*WRS90LM2

9'

L

Mod.

2

4 - 8

1/16 - 3/8

6.5

2

$ 180

*WRS90MLF2

9'

ML

Fast

2

6 - 10

1/8 - 5/8

5.6

1

$ 180

*WRS90MF2

9'

M

Fast

2

8 - 12

1/4 - 3/4

5.8

1

$ 180

*WRS90MHF2

9'

MH

Fast

2

10 - 17

3/8 - 1

6.1

1

$ 180

*WRS90HF2

9'

H

Fast

2

12 - 25

1/2 - 2

7.1

1

$ 190

*WRS96MLF2

9'6"

ML

Fast

2

6 - 10

1/8 - 5/8

6.0

1

$ 190

*WRS96MF2

9'6"

M

Fast

2

8 - 12

1/4 - 3/4

6.1

1

$ 190

*WRS106ULS2

10'6"

UL

Slow

2

2 - 6

1/16 - 1/4

6.2

2

$ 180

*WRS106MLF2

10'6"

ML

Fast

2

6 - 10

1/8 - 5/8

6.5

1

$ 190

*WRS106MF2

10'6"

M

Fast

2

8 - 12

1/4 - 3/4

7.3

1

$ 190

*WRST116LM2

11'6"

L

Mod.

2

4 - 8

1/16 - 1/2

8.4

3

$ 190

*WRST136LM3

13'6"

L

Mod.

3

4 - 8

1/16 - 1/2

8.6

3

$ 220


 



 



 



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Posted August 28 2013 - 9:43 AM

Batson sh1026-2. Wonderfully light amd sensitive 1/2 to 1 1/2 rod. Just dont build it with heavy guides and components, that will kill the action - same goes for any salmon/steelhead blank. Think single foot fly guides :th:


I agree if your going to build your own look at the rainshadow (batson) blanks. For floats or bottom bouncing with a spinning reel something in 10' 1/8-1/2 range is fine. If your fishing spoons and spinners a 9'-9'6" rod is better. You want a rod with a medium soft sensitive tip that quickly moves to a fast mid section. Gloomis, lami, st Croix and rainshadow all make great rods for this. Just like surf fishing one rod won't do it all but some are more versatile than others.
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Posted August 28 2013 - 1:13 PM

I built two of my own for 6lb and 8 lb. One was 10' and the other 11' both noodle rods with a Shakespear 1810 reel. Used these for steelhead in Michigan. Never lucky enough to hook a salmon but they have caught lots of
steelhead. Used them in PA to fish for shad in the Delaware river. Could throw a shad dart a mile. Worked out well.

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Posted August 29 2013 - 12:24 AM

Unfortunately, I'm not surf fishing or striper fishing out here. But when I did.......

Lami G1311 8'6" Medium Heavy spinning, rated 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz. Mirrolures - 4M, 52M, 60, Catch 2000s, 7M. Bomber Mullets, Creek Chub Striper Strikes, Zara Super Spooks, Super Strike Little Necks, 1 oz. Cordell Pencils, Yo-Zuri Mag Minnows, Hopkins & Berry's casting spoons, Krocodile spoons, small bucktails, lead heads with curly-tail grubs, etc. 3/8 oz to 1 1/2 oz....maybe 2 oz.(Berry's)

Lami Certified Pro X 96 JS 9'6" Medium spinning, rated 1/4 to 3/4 oz. Smaller Hopkins and Berry's casting spoons, smaller Krocodiles, curly-tail grubs with lead heads, smaller CC Striper Strikes, & small bucktails. Up to at least 1 oz, maybe a touch more.

Lami G1313-T Kenai Guide Model 8'6" casting, rated 3/8 to 2 oz. Mirrolure 52s, 60s, 65s. Bomber Mullets, Zara Super Spooks, CC Striper Strikes, SS Little Necks, Hopkins and Berry's casting spoons, Krocodile spoons, 1 oz.Cordell Pencils, Mag Minnows, & small bucktails. Up to 2 oz.

Now I DID NOT catch fish on every single lure listed with each of those rods. But I did cast everything listed, so that let's you know there are lots of options in the world of 100 yards or less. Most of my fish came on casting spoons, Mirrolures, Bomber Mullets, curly-tail grubs, and bucktails.

The G1311 far and away got the most use over the years. That's partly because I've owned it the longest (1996), but also because it's the most versatile. I've barely gotten to use the Kenai Guide...replacement for a similar 8'6" that was stolen.

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Posted August 29 2013 - 12:24 AM

Unfortunately, I'm not surf fishing or striper fishing out here. But when I did.......

Lami G1311 8'6" Medium Heavy spinning, rated 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz. Mirrolures - 4M, 52M, 60, Catch 2000s, 7M. Bomber Mullets, Creek Chub Striper Strikes, Zara Super Spooks, Super Strike Little Necks, 1 oz. Cordell Pencils, Yo-Zuri Mag Minnows, Hopkins & Berry's casting spoons, Krocodile spoons, small bucktails, lead heads with curly-tail grubs, etc. 3/8 oz to 1 1/2 oz....maybe 2 oz.(Berry's)

Lami Certified Pro X 96 JS 9'6" Medium spinning, rated 1/4 to 3/4 oz. Smaller Hopkins and Berry's casting spoons, smaller Krocodiles, curly-tail grubs with lead heads, smaller CC Striper Strikes, & small bucktails. Up to at least 1 oz, maybe a touch more.

Lami G1313-T Kenai Guide Model 8'6" casting, rated 3/8 to 2 oz. Mirrolure 52s, 60s, 65s. Bomber Mullets, Zara Super Spooks, CC Striper Strikes, SS Little Necks, Hopkins and Berry's casting spoons, Krocodile spoons, 1 oz.Cordell Pencils, Mag Minnows, & small bucktails. Up to 2 oz.

Now I DID NOT catch fish on every single lure listed with each of those rods. But I did cast everything listed, so that let's you know there are lots of options in the world of 100 yards or less. Most of my fish came on casting spoons, Mirrolures, Bomber Mullets, curly-tail grubs, and bucktails.

The G1311 far and away got the most use over the years. That's partly because I've owned it the longest (1996), but also because it's the most versatile. I've barely gotten to use the Kenai Guide...replacement for a similar 8'6" that was stolen.

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Posted August 29 2013 - 5:57 AM

How many of you use a steel head / salmon rod when striper or surf fishing? I've gone steel head and salmon fishing in upstate NY, but unfortunately had my spinning gear stolen on the last day of my trip the last time I was up there. Anyway I've always enjoyed light tackle approach, hooking up with a steel head on the Niagara river and easing them in is a blast. Now as i look to replace my gear I was reading a few older posts and was interested in hearing what size rods (length, power, lure size) you guys were using as I'd like to be able to use it in the surf or back bay and the very occasional steel head / salmon trip.

I'm thinking going with an 8'6" lure weight 3/8 ~ 1 1/2. The Okuma SST seems like a lot of value for the price. Would like to hear what you guys use.


Hi Alex,

I use casting salmon rods in the salt and my stick of choice is the shimano scimitar,8 ft 6 inch extra heavy power rated 3/4-3 oz.
not expensive either at 50 bucks.
I liked the first one so much I bought 6 more with only one being in heavy power,the rest are extra heavy.
when I bought them cabelas was the place to buy them.
I also have berkly air Buzz Ramsey edition casting salmon rod rated the same but,at 9 feet,nice stick too but, I would not buy another one of them because they cost 100 bucks and I could do better for less.
they also come in spinning!



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Posted August 29 2013 - 12:03 PM

[quote name="GregH"
I'm curious as to how many others use SH / salmon rods on the surf as well.  
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Been doing it since 1979 when I found a clear water pool near the ponquogue bridge in the Hamptons that held huge bass feeding on tiny tiny forage fish. When I cast anything over 3/4 ounce the fish would spook. So I tried light gear and got spooled over and over... "Frustrating" then ı saw "Al feathers" the world record holder for white surf perch and top notch sharpie fisherman... he had a salmon rod casting 1/2 oz home made bucktails .. man he was a true sharpie....

I learned a lot by watching him...

Since them I keep a few Salomon rods in the arsenal to cast small lures for big fish... Those rods can can small stuff and battle big fish too...

later I discovered that the "casting" versions of these rods were great for flinging plastic baits on 5000 sized conventionals.. lots of fun..

I always purchased Fenwick rods... they had nice long handles to accommodate a hard two handed snap cast needed to zip small baits very far...

Plus that Aramis Veil graphite they use on the high end Fenwick rods is VERY VERY STRONG.
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