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#1 Slingin Eels

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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:01 PM

Guys, this has been brought up in the past but recently I was in a local B&T shop and discovered a sandeel teaser rig. After studying the rig I noticed that the teaser was tied with a dropper loop but the loop itself was cut giving the original loop just one tag end from the dropper loop knot. The one tag end had a Red Gill (4 inch) attached to a small loop with a crimp.

Interesting teaser rig but my question here is...How is the the strength of that cut dropper loop which was made into a one tag end line for a teaser, in this case a Red Gill teaser with a looped crimp? Interesting rig and the rig looks like it would do some catching but not sure if I would duplicate this rig at home until I here a little feedback from some experienced anglers who fish dropper loops on a regular basis.

I do use a standard dropper loop but by cutting the dropper loop into two sections and discarding one end down to the base of the knot and the other tag end for a straight feed to a teaser is there any advantages? I think by cutting the dropper loop you do not a full circle connection to the knot itself and it looks like it would slip and fail. This has me pouring whiskeys like acid rain coming down in the rain forest :kook:


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:10 PM

It should work with a well tied dropper but I wouldnt try it. Why not just keep the loop? :confused:


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:13 PM

I use a dropper for many applications. I have tried cutting one leg for "better action" it resulted in lost rigs ( not due to bite offs) on too many ooccassions for me to revisit again.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:19 PM

Shouldn't be an issue as long as the knot was tied properly.

FYI - The dropper loop is a weak knot. it can easily cut into itself. usually not an issue since it is generally tied in leader material of sufficient strength (50% of 60lb is still 30, much more drag than you will probably fishing with).


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:27 PM

I use that tie alot while fishing nymphs for trout...........wouldn't feel comfortable with it for larger fish......always fish the dropper loop in salt as is.....a loop......just adjust size of loop for length of desired leader...


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:45 PM

I have used the cut dropper and as long as you really tighten down the knot ( and i mean really tighten) it has not failed. Some guys use the extension blood knot as well.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:48 PM

I started using this setup almost 2 years ago after studying a pre-rigged one as well.

As some previous posters have stated, this shouldn't be an issue if it's tied correctly.
I for one was having doubts after making my own but when I felt comfortable enough making them, I'd test them out with metal, etc. After catching fish on them, I became more confident with them and have been using this setup ever since.

I tie mine with 50 lb mono in most cases and 40 lb at times.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:51 PM

It should work with a well tied dropper but I wouldnt try it. Why not just keep the loop? :confused:


For me personally and I'm sure most have experienced this as well, during the cold months it was difficult for me swapping out teasers while the hands were wet, etc.
That's when I tried this setup and have been using it since with no issues.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 12:57 PM

Guys, thanks for the replies and I have to add that the rig I studied in the B&T shop had a small breakaway clip on the teaser tag end to swap out different teasers; Red Gills, feather teasers, etc. I myself like the swivel attachment method just because I know I am tied onto something solid. Has anyone tied the teaser leader to the top part of the swivel rather then attaching it to the bottom where the main leader is attached to? I would love to hear Johnny Cakes's input on this method and technique. Thanks again guys.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 1:29 PM

Whats so hard about doubleing up the line and sliding it through the eye of the hook? I really see no benifit to this what so ever. Adding a breakaway clip for the teaser sounds like a real cluster ****.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 1:42 PM

Whats so hard about doubleing up the line and sliding it through the eye of the hook? I really see no benifit to this what so ever. Adding a breakaway clip for the teaser sounds like a real cluster ****.


In the cold months with wet hands it's a pain in the a**.
Don't know what size hooks or mono you're using, but it doesn't work for me.

I'm speaking from my experience and know it's more of a cluster **** with the size hooks I use and the 40-50lb mono.

Benefit I see is that I can swap several teasers out in the time it'd normally take to swap one with a dropper loop. It's less down time fiddling around and more time fishing.
Saves me time and unnecessary aggravation.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 1:58 PM


I think the reason that the dropper loop was cut on the rig you looked at is because whoever manufactured it was having trouble getting the loop / doubled line through the hole in the head of the redgill, which is very small. Instead of cutting the dropper loop, I use my regular dropper loop on 50lb fluoro. Last year I bought a ton of redgills and experimented with ways to tie them on and ended up settling on this:



 



Tie your dropper loop into your leader as normal. Next, tie a 4"-6"piece of lighter mono(20lb-ish) to the end of the dropper loop using a simple overhand knot and trim the tag end. Feed the single piece of lighter mono through the hole in the red gill until it pokes out the other end, then pull it through, pulling the dropper loop through the redgill as well. Basically, you are using the lighter mono as a threading "needle" to pull ur dropper loop through the redgill. Cut off the lighter mono "threading needle",attach ur hook to the dropper loop, and you are good to go!


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Posted September 18 2012 - 2:05 PM

In the cold months with wet hands it's a pain in the a**.
Don't know what size hooks or mono you're using, but it doesn't work for me.
I'm speaking from my experience and know it's more of a cluster **** with the size hooks I use and the 40-50lb mono.
Benefit I see is that I can swap several teasers out in the time it'd normally take to swap one with a dropper loop. It's less down time fiddling around and more time fishing.
Saves me time and unnecessary aggravation.




I tie my teasers on 3/0 gami saltwater fly hooks. Nice big eye that you can slide that doubled up line through without a problem. Try them, you will thank me. :)


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Posted September 18 2012 - 3:05 PM

I tie my teasers on 3/0 gami saltwater fly hooks. Nice big eye that you can slide that doubled up line through without a problem. Try them, you will thank me. :)


OK, will have to give it a try. Now it makes sense.
I'm using 2/0's depending on conditions and where I'm fishing.


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Posted September 18 2012 - 3:25 PM

Try different methods, you will hone in and find your preferences. Some guys like to slip the teaser through the dropper loop because it's easy and helps make the teaser stick out better (especially with lighter lines) and some prefer the teaser to be attached by a single line.

You can even tie an extension blood knot with two different leader strengths which would provide you two horizontal single lines to experiment with., it's limitless but once you find the right combination it's very rewarding especially if you come up with it yourself.


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