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#1 HeavySeas

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Posted July 23 2012 - 08:16 PM


Hi Guys,



 



I am just getting into surf fishing.  I have been doing it for about a month now.  No one in my family likes to fish; but my girlfriends grandfather (a great man) was generous enough to give me his workhorse Daiwa BG20 since he can no longer fish.  I have been putting it to work on some good size bluefish.  I ended up buying a Tica 9 foot 1/2oz-3oz rod to pair it with.  I started with Big Game 15lb mono and just recently re-spooled to Sufix Superior 15lb mono.  Think I was getting better casting distance with the Big Game.  Anyway I have been thinking about going to braid for the better feel and casting distance.



 



 



I did a search on Braid on this forum and read that some reels handle braid better than others.  Not sure if anyone is familiar with this reel; but is there any way to tell how it will handle braid without just spooling it up and seeing how it works?  I was hoping for some feedback on here but since it's an older reel I guess it's a little unrealistic on my part.



 



I do plan on purchasing a new reel for the fall run.  Depending on what the reviews turn out to be I am considering the new Penn Spinfisher V.  Also I have heard many good thinks about the Shimano Spheros on this forum and elsewhere.  I will most likely go to braid with these reels but for now is it worth trying braid on old Daiwa I have?  Also I will probably just pick something up and spool it myself so can you guys give me any recommendations as far as brands or certain makes go?



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Posted July 23 2012 - 08:21 PM

Nice, smooth drag, but kep that reel DRY! It doesn't like salt water or sand.

14 pound-test Fireline is PERFECT on that reel!

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Posted July 23 2012 - 08:33 PM

that is not a braid friendly reel. you can get away with fireline if you don't fill the spool too full

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Posted July 23 2012 - 08:39 PM


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Originally Posted by AMMO View Post



Nice, smooth drag, but kep that reel DRY! It doesn't like salt water or sand.

14 pound-test Fireline is PERFECT on that reel!

AMMOe



 



 



I have fished fireline in freshwater - the abrasion resistance was TERRIBLE.  I am assuming I should be okay though since I'm fishing the open beach.



 



I am assuming by 14lb test you mean the mono size equivalent of 14lb test - which would be 65lb braid?



I also noticed there is Fireline braid and then Micro Dyneema Superline?



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Posted July 23 2012 - 11:50 PM


I have fished fireline in freshwater - the abrasion resistance was TERRIBLE.  I am assuming I should be okay though since I'm fishing the open beach.

I am assuming by 14lb test you mean the mono size equivalent of 14lb test - which would be 65lb braid?


I also noticed there is Fireline braid and then Micro Dyneema Superline?



I believe Ammo was saying 14 pound Fireline because that line will handle any fish you will hook in the surf. It breaks in the mid to high 30 pound range and still retains a relatively thin diameter for casting distance. If you want abrasion resistance forget braids and superlines all together because this is not what they are about.

Most 65 pound braids in reality break at close to 80 pounds which is so far beyond what is needed to quickly land fish, especially since every surf fish out there was landed with little trouble on lines that tested no higher than 20 pound for decades. Spooling up with 65 pound braid just cripples the performance of your spinning outfit.

65 pound line is not a bad choice on many conventionals but it's chosen more for manageability on these reels because some have issues with dig in etc..it's very rarely chosen because of strength.

Most offshore guys don't even spool up with line that heavy. If going for large Tuna, sure, but King Macks, Sailfish, Mahi etc... are easily handled with lighter braids.

Fireline braid is not the fused dyneema line that most talk about when discussed with spinners. Braided Fireline is popular on conventionals but it's the fused original Fireline that shines on spinners.

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Posted July 24 2012 - 04:27 AM

Give that (original) fireline time to "break in" and don't fill spool to the top as Ammo said,you'll like the stuff with that reel.. I do on mine anyway..

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Posted July 24 2012 - 04:52 AM

It seems funnie. I started using fireline when it came out but ended up switching to power pro. I have used it on the siver series diawa(that became the BG series) and the Penn Spinfisher(4400) along with a penn Z and a couple of oother reels that were popular back then and found they all worked equally well for me with the power pro yet every one keeps saying Fire line works better on those reels. I felt they did equally as well with both lines.

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Posted July 24 2012 - 05:35 AM

I have the exact same setup you have. Its spooled with 30 PP.
Artie has a point, it seems the reel doesnt like to be filled, but will tell you when its comfortable.
By that I mean ,the spool would get a knot, for whatever reason, and then it would function fine at that level.
Another tip that helped me with braid. Dont hero cast at first. Get the line wet by gradually getting youre line wet with shorter casts, gradually working your way up to the zone that you want to reach.

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Posted July 24 2012 - 06:03 AM

It seems funnie. I started using fireline when it came out but ended up switching to power pro. I have used it on the siver series diawa(that became the BG series) and the Penn Spinfisher(4400) along with a penn Z and a couple of oother reels that were popular back then and found they all worked equally well for me with the power pro yet every one keeps saying Fire line works better on those reels. I felt they did equally as well with both lines.


the reel will work with braid as long as the spool is not filled, but casting distance will suffer. the reason fireline works better is it has a larger diameter than braid in a comparable pound test. many of the non braid friendly reels will work if you use a 50 pound braid and don't fill the spool too full.

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Posted July 24 2012 - 08:10 AM

I have a BG 30 and for years I have been using Fireline (20 lb) for surf or Suffix (50lb for pier ) without a problem. Just don't over fill it.

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Posted July 24 2012 - 12:47 PM

the reel will work with braid as long as the spool is not filled, but casting distance will suffer. the reason fireline works better is it has a larger diameter than braid in a comparable pound test. many of the non braid friendly reels will work if you use a 50 pound braid and don't fill the spool too full.


I was referring to the same performance in the same #rod test lines. As far as overfilling the spool that seemed about the same with both. Point being there was no noticable difference for me

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Posted July 24 2012 - 12:50 PM

I was referring to the same performance in the same #rod test lines. As far as overfilling the spool that seemed about the same with both. Point being there was no noticable difference for me


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Posted July 24 2012 - 01:27 PM

Hi Guys,

I am just getting into surf fishing.  I have been doing it for about a month now.  No one in my family likes to fish; but my girlfriends grandfather (a great man) was generous enough to give me his workhorse Daiwa BG20 since he can no longer fish.  I have been putting it to work on some good size bluefish.  I ended up buying a Tica 9 foot 1/2oz-3oz rod to pair it with.  I started with Big Game 15lb mono and just recently re-spooled to Sufix Superior 15lb mono.  Think I was getting better casting distance with the Big Game.  Anyway I have been thinking about going to braid for the better feel and casting distance.


I did a search on Braid on this forum and read that some reels handle braid better than others.  Not sure if anyone is familiar with this reel; but is there any way to tell how it will handle braid without just spooling it up and seeing how it works?  I was hoping for some feedback on here but since it's an older reel I guess it's a little unrealistic on my part.

I do plan on purchasing a new reel for the fall run.  Depending on what the reviews turn out to be I am considering the new Penn Spinfisher V.  Also I have heard many good thinks about the Shimano Spheros on this forum and elsewhere.  I will most likely go to braid with these reels but for now is it worth trying braid on old Daiwa I have?  Also I will probably just pick something up and spool it myself so can you guys give me any recommendations as far as brands or certain makes go?


I used to use that very same reel. I tend to agree with the guys that recommended original fireline. If you read through enough posts here on SOL the general consensus is orig fireline pretty much works all the time while many guys have bad experience with spectra type braids on those reels and some say it works fine. Sometimes it's your style of fishing, how you cast, what your casting etc that makes a difference. I would lean toward the lighter 14lb fireline because i know the stick your mounting it on. I can't see going up to 20lb on that rod unless perhaps you will be jetty fishing or bait fishing. For strictly lures up to 2 oz, 14 will be fine. The Spheros is a nice reel choice maybe in the future too. I'm anxious to see the new penn and how it handles braid and casts. To be better than the Spheros in this category is not going to be easy.

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Posted August 15 2012 - 05:16 AM


Gentlman very good information on braided line Being very new to surf fishing  I bought not the best rods and reels to see whether this Surf fihing is something I will continue to persue. I just put some better grade Mono on the reels 20# test. I am going to put braid on one of them too see if It works with the reels I bought. I will see if it works I wll spool up all in the future.  In my day never heard of braided line. Wish I would have inquired sooner before spooling up mono, I didn't realize braid can be used on spinning reels. Lou