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#16 squidlips

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Posted February 13 2012 - 9:31 PM

I am using Berkley Big Game line.


That's good quality line. Standard clinch with three or four turns is plenty. Wet it good with spit, don't over tighten it.


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Posted February 13 2012 - 9:36 PM

Improved clinch


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Posted February 13 2012 - 9:50 PM

I find that the last step on an improved clinch overly complicates the knot and causes more problems with bunching up and re-tying than the effort is worth when you are using heavy line.

I tie all my leaders from a bulk spool of clear Ande 50 and use a three or four turn standard clinch on both the swivel and snap ends and have not had a knot pull in probably ten years. During that time you're probably talking about landing 100 fish between 25 and 47 pounds, all in the surf.

With lighter lines, say 30lb and under I agree that an improved clinch is the way to go.


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Posted February 13 2012 - 9:53 PM

Improved (or my frequent choice double- improved) Clinch (worth the extra effort!)...
... esp. if using mono. (as opposed to leader material as I prefer. Improved Clinch then...)
Swivels are tough as the piece you're tying to isn't fixed... it helps to "peg" it first with a thin hammered- in (somewhere) nail! ;)



To turn the improved clinch into a Trilene knot you just go through the eye twice instead of once. Anytime you double up regardless of knot used your connection will be stronger .I find it not necessary on most knots, even the improved clinch has been fine when tied once. If i am skeptical and really want to be sure i'll use the San Diego Jam knot, which is also a variation of the clinch(an upside down clinch) but stronger.


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#20 emgred

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Posted February 13 2012 - 10:21 PM

Improved clinch knot with 4 to 5 turns for me. Never had a problem with it tying it to anything.


What Dave said!!! ^^^^


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Posted February 14 2012 - 7:14 AM

Improved clinch with 3-6 turns depending on the type of leader. No need for anything else.


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#22 MikeS 51

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Posted February 14 2012 - 7:28 AM

I've noticed that sometimes when I do an improved clinch knot with mono 50 lb and up It bunches up and won't completely "clinch" and looks like garbage....I always add a little spit too but there seems to be one or two that just suck so I re do it. Any suggestions on that, or is this the norm?


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Posted February 14 2012 - 7:38 AM

What Squidlips said. Not many people can set an improved clinch in 50, let alone above. That's why Tred Barta recommended a clinch (that is, a NON-improved clinch) in heavy mono when chasing his beloved bigeye.

The San Diego is one that I haven't tried. Is it easier to get a good, well set up knot in 50 > than a clinch or improved clinch?


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Posted February 14 2012 - 8:29 AM




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Originally Posted by Sea robin 51 View Post

I've noticed that sometimes when I do an improved clinch knot with mono 50 lb and up It bunches up and won't completely "clinch" and looks like garbage....I always add a little spit too but there seems to be one or two that just suck so I re do it. Any suggestions on that, or is this the norm?





The next time I see you. I'l show you some improved clinches in 50# mono that will cinch the way you want 'em. No trick, just consistency!



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Posted February 14 2012 - 8:36 AM

... always used standard clinch .. heard trilene is stronger on tests they run on tv outdoors/sports channel! Something to try this year.


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Posted February 14 2012 - 8:48 AM

Palomar... if going this a clinch do the 3 1/2 turn knot.


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#27 scoobydoo

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Posted February 14 2012 - 11:23 AM

Please.......look up the joe miller knot.

loop through like starting a cinch knot.
3 wraps.
Loop tag back through the hook eye
3wraps inside the newly created loop.
moisten
pull tight

looks similar to a polomar when done. And it cinches down real easy.....That way with stiff mono.....Or with heavy water logged mono.......you don't get any of that kinked mono near the knot. VERRRY strong. Great for heavy mono when your not crimping.

No doubt my favorite terminal knot for heavy line .....mono or floro.
Biggest fish so far caught on it has been a 230lb bigeye on 80lb momoi diamond.
Been using it for only two years and it has become my goto knot for almost everything tied with mono or floro.


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#28 AndreSchwartz

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Posted February 14 2012 - 11:31 AM

We did a bunch of tests with 50 mono for swivel with snap leaders. In a hurry, a 4 turn standard clinch was one of the most reliable and strongest knots with Big Game and MoiMoi Hi-Catch. Improved Clinch was better with three turns. Uni knot proved to be unreliable with heavy mono like 50. Even with three turns It pinches the line and that creates a weak point where it will fail. More so with stiffer mono. Palomar is very strong but it is a PITA to do on a snap and will not lay straight with heavy mono. Plugs go tumbling on casts more often and it does alter action slightly. With plenty of lubrication a 4 turn Clinch is the way to go. Line lays perfectly straight, and cinches down easier and more evenly than the Improved version. For ultimate strength the Improved Clinch will edge out the standard Clinch but more often then not it will kink and create a weak spot. We had plenty of knots break at way over than 50 and some breaking at the line not the knot. There is no best knot for all lines. With 50 Big Game it seems to be the 4 turn Clinch.


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Posted February 14 2012 - 11:39 AM

Is this Braid to Swivel to Mono, or mono to swivel then mono ?

If its Braid to swivel to mono, just use a Albright Knot...

Otherwise I use Palomar Knots only...



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Posted February 14 2012 - 11:41 AM

3 turn uni. Easy to tie by feel, I can tie them with my eyes closed. Which is nice if your necklight is getting dim or if like me, your reading glasses are back at the truck.

Just spit it up good. It rolls over when you cinch it up and if it's dry can heat up, which is not good.


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