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Spooling braid with a line winder/spooling machine? Idiots at the local BTS and problems with Sufix 832?


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#1 whewdoggie

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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:06 AM

Does anyone here believe the hype that braid must be put on with a machine? Personally I have had the most problems with braid when spooled with a machine. Possibly due to user error but I have had zero problems for years now spooling braid manually.

My brother in law and I went to a BTS yesterday to pick up line. First they told me they would never carry Sufix 832 due to many issues with it? Then they talked him into samurai braid. Then they gave him absolute hell for not letting them spool it on the machine. They garunteed him he would regret it. They seemed to have a bit of an attitude about it. They told him that if its not put on "spool melted tight" it will not work. They even showed him the melted spools. My feelings are that after the first cast it is no longer that tight anyway!

They also seemed to frown at him for buying a stradic, which he already had purchased and at this point was feeling like he made a bad decision.

After we left I assured him the stradic was a good purchase, especially at $120, and that all of my reels are spooled by myself and I never have problems. This shop is not a regular stop for me and now I am sure it will not be. The last time we were there they tried to sell him a St. Croix rod for $20 over msrp.



#2 Big Biscuit

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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:17 AM

Sounds like one I stop in once in a while when I'm in a jam. I usually just pick up one item and leave but the lady behind the counter is always trying to get me to buy crap I don't need. She saw my St.Croix Mojo and asked why I didn't buy it there and then proceeded to call it a piece of junk.



#3 Wayne Tj

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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:19 AM

There is not problem putting braid on by hand as long as you wear a glove and spool it with tension.


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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:32 AM

Put it on tight and you have no problems. I prefer to do it myself, because no reels I own put line on perfectly like the machine does, so if I do it myself it goes on the same way it is going to for the life of the line, and I won't get any surprises when the line morphs to its new shape.

I put braid on utilizing a bench vice and a damp rag, their machine doesn't get it any tighter than me :D



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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:40 AM

I put a bolt thru the spool of line with a spring and washers on it, then put it in the vice compressing the spring to get the tension I want and then just reel it on.
I have been doing this for decades and have no problems.



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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:49 AM

Me too.

For as long as braid has been available I've put it on my convenchs myself. Never 1 problem. I have a line winder I've made out of an old garden hose coiler. One revolution is 43 inches so measuring a set amount off a bulk spool is easy. Tight and straight is the trick.

First I put on backing that is permanent, then the measured running/casting line. And I often reverse the line to distribute the wear. Works good.

I just got some of that Spiderwire Stealth (#50) that Sudsy was recomending last year. Seems to cast and handle really well. Time will tell.

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Posted June 30 2011 - 11:51 AM

I never put braid on any tighter than what I can do handheld and I never have problems. Once cast it only goes back as tight as it will normally be used. Does anyone know what the benefit of spooling so tight initially is? I have yet to find an actual answer except "because it needs to be".



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Posted June 30 2011 - 12:07 PM

Again;

Me too Doggy. Hand tight is good enough...As I've said, I've used this stuff since the beginning and never had one problem. I do put it on tightly, but only by hand. I want my backing very straight and relatively tight.



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Posted June 30 2011 - 12:44 PM

Hand tight with some tension on the spool has not failed me in 12 years



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Posted June 30 2011 - 12:58 PM

I learned w/braid "p.p." by puting it on by hand and learned as long as it is tight you will not have a problem. but i have now for a few years been using a shop i trust becouse i buy and fill my reels from their bulk spools. comes out cheaper and have not had a problem yet. "it did take me a couple of shops to find one that did it right. when it is wrong i found wind knot after wind not!


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Posted June 30 2011 - 1:35 PM

Solid braid you can spool on your own with no problems. I just run the line through a bass pro catalog and put a 20 lb dumbell or two on it. and place the spool a few feet behind it with something to keep it in place. Works great

Hollow core and spinning reels I recommend to have machine spooled. No sense of straining the reel prior to fishing. Not only that but its very difficult to get the pressure needed by yourself. Plus its nice not to have any twist on a fresh pack that's gonna be there for a looooooooong time.



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Posted June 30 2011 - 1:37 PM

especially long casting reels like the emblem spool line differently then a hand will from a machine, so u have to spool it by the reel. what i do is ill spool the line normally but over fill it a bit, then go outside and tie one end the a light post and run it down the road and tighten it under a heavy drag. comes out perfect every time! :)


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Posted June 30 2011 - 1:50 PM

I won't ever let a machine touch my reels to spool line, except tuna reels. Look up the method Jose Wejebe does on his site, thats what I use and you won't get any problems with your braid.



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Posted June 30 2011 - 1:52 PM

I never put braid on any tighter than what I can do handheld and I never have problems. Once cast it only goes back as tight as it will normally be used. Does anyone know what the benefit of spooling so tight initially is? I have yet to find an actual answer except "because it needs to be".


Say your casting and fishing 50 yards of line. If your line is not tight under that and you hook a decent fish and starts to spool you it will dig into the spongy line. Spool it on tight from the beginning.



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Posted July 03 2011 - 10:54 AM

I never put braid on any tighter than what I can do handheld and I never have problems. Once cast it only goes back as tight as it will normally be used. Does anyone know what the benefit of spooling so tight initially is? I have yet to find an actual answer except "because it needs to be".


You don't want the entire spoolfull to be too loose. You don't want the line to dig in too deep on itself if your fighting a big fish or breaking off a snag - especially on conventional bridge gear where your winching 10# to 15# fish 30 feet into the air.

I do the mono backing hand tight, the first third or so of the braid very tight then gradually loosen it to cast and retrieve tight. Doesn't have to be exact, the part that you fish will find its equilibrium.


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