what do you think of that new cesspool law?
Posted April 04 2011 - 7:28 PM
great idea but the timeframe seems a little short...doesnt seem fair, nor does it address the municipal plant overflow, which is the bigger issue.
Posted April 04 2011 - 8:26 PM
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Posted April 04 2011 - 8:44 PM
Its even more of a mess if the property is foreclosed on and has a failed septic because most lenders won't finance a property without Title V certification. It appears to me that they are starting small with high impact areas since they are hard to argue against but this is the camel's nose under the tent. Soon the state will follow in the footsteps of MA and force it upon all cesspools and then start septic system testing.
I just re-read the article and it states that a local agency already offers 2% loans for septic systems in affected areas.
Posted April 04 2011 - 9:07 PM
I understand your larger point..when I moved out here we looked at more houses in MA than RI..if I remember correctly, the work could be settled into the buying price of the house, no? this is obviously in regard (more) to the forecloser point...
Posted April 04 2011 - 10:17 PM
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Posted April 05 2011 - 5:16 AM
And should I happen to fall within the effected limits it will get real interesting . In order to get the earth removal equipment and septic unit to the site, either part of my home or neighbors matured trees will have to go .....or I guess they could compel to dig up my new drive way ?
Posted April 05 2011 - 5:24 AM
Does the Rhode Island plan have a public financing option?
In number of states, owners can apply for and receive a loan from a public authority or from bank with public guarantee (like a student loan) for system replacement. Typical repyment period is 10 yers with a due on sale clause if the property is sold before the loan is repaid.
Posted April 05 2011 - 7:57 AM
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Posted April 05 2011 - 11:32 AM
Uhhhhh...Where's the data that proves that it is the cesspools that are to blame??? How to they PROVE the source? (if there is actual contamination...)
Or is this just another bunch of bullschit hippie-hype?
I live in a town rich in history and pre-revolutionary war houses...houses that have cess pools and dug wells. The drinking water, drawn from the same property that house the cesspools, is more pure than the fa66oty bottled water these lawmakers slurp down during these brainstorming sessions. When properly maintained and monitored, cesspools are just as effective as any other waste management system. Period....
If there is actual proof that a failed system caused a problem, then inspection and monitoring are the first lines of defense - Make those with failing systems mitigate the risk - NOT broad-stroke dictating on how people are required to spend their money.
Damn-to-hell the stupid-ass meddling special interest groups with human-hate agendas, damn the government agencies that fargin' listen and bend to their whim, and damn the sheep that posture submissively and accept what these legislative barnstormers puke all over them without a good old Yankee FIGHT!!!
I hate SHEEP.
Posted April 05 2011 - 11:46 AM
See, for example, http://www.crmc.ri.g...White_Paper.pdf:
deteriorating conditions in the lagoons caused the RI CRMC, RI Sea Grant, RI
Statewide Planning, US EPA, and the towns of South Kingstown and Narragansett to
fund a second multidisciplinary ecosystem study by scientists at URI. This work
documented symptoms of eutrophication (an increase in the supply of organic matter
to an ecosystem; Nixon 1995), especially large quantities of macroalgae (Thorn-Miller
et al. 1983). It also identified septic systems as the major source of nitrogen entering
most of the salt ponds (Nixon et al. 1982, Lee and Olsen 1985). To be sure, lawn and
garden fertilizer, pet waste, and atmospheric deposition also contribute nitrogen to the
salt ponds, but human waste is by far the dominant source for the larger ponds. In their
study of nitrogen inputs to Pt. Judith, Potter, Cards, Trustom, Green Hill, and Ninigret
Ponds, Nixon et al. (1982) estimated that 70 to 95% of the nitrogen entering from land
and atmosphere came from ground water. A more recent assessment by Ernst (1996)
found that residential septic systems provided the following fractions of the nitrogen
input to the groundwater:
Pt. Judith 85% Potter 80%
Cards 45% Trustom 35%
Green Hill 90% Ninigret 60%
Posted April 05 2011 - 1:23 PM
As it stands today, any building alterations will need to be approved by the DEM prior to applying for a local building permit. This is their ticket to inspect and ultimately condemn the existing on-site waste water systems unless it consists of the new nitrate treatment components. Needless to say I am installing a new system even though my existing septic tank and cesspool leech pit is absolutely sound. If I refused, no building permit will issue. The ProJo article indicating a 10 to 15K price tag on the new style nitrate systems is a bit shy. I have heard of folks spending 30K++ depending on their soil make-up and system size.
One can only assume that the next government step in this regard will be mandatory statewide system inspections & subsequent condemnations of properties not in compliance within the critical resource boundaries which can be viewed at the DEM website. I believe there was a recent substantial hoorah in Charlestown over this issue. Gov. mandate with no funding.
Posted April 05 2011 - 3:55 PM
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts" Jack Johnson.